Choosing a load based on targets.

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118B10DD-AB29-4FE9-B6FA-4BB6A6D48345.jpeg Never seen this topic, so thought I’d throw it out there for fun. Was working up a TB load in my SA revolver and shot 10 shot groups this morning of 2.9 - 4.1 in .2 increments. All at 25 yards, unsupported, so I am a big variable. I believe a load should be chosen based on how I shoot it, not how my revolver shoots it off a bench, but that’s another topic. Anyway, here are the most promising loads. 3.7 on the left, 3.9 on the right.

Now the fun part. 3.7 has a tighter group. It’s 4.75”, and those 3 near the center are pretty exciting. The 3.9 load has a wider spread, nearing 6”, but it generally shoots more centered, and the elevation is a bit better, while I tend to shoot the 3.7 load low.

Based on these 2 targets, which load would you choose? 3.8? :rofl: This is just a low level fun load to punch holes in cans and close range fun shooting, so I’m not going to file the sights for the 3.7 load. I’m working on a more stout load for long range/critter control.

Sorry about the paper tears, it’s time for a new backing board to hang my targets from.
 
I believe a load should be chosen based on how I shoot it, not how my revolver shoots it off a bench, but that’s another topic.

That doesn't make sense to me.
If you shoot two groups off the bench, the most accurate one will be the most accurate unsupported as well, if you have a consistent routine and keep things uniform with your technique.
If you shoot the less accurate one from the bench better unsupported, it is an accident.

Yes, we should do most of our practicing unsupported, I agree with that.
But benches are there for load development.

I know that's not the answer you're looking for.
But there is no way you can pick between those two groups knowing they're unsupported.
 
That doesn't make sense to me.
If you shoot two groups off the bench, the most accurate one will be the most accurate unsupported as well, if you have a consistent routine and keep things uniform with your technique.
If you shoot the less accurate one from the bench better unsupported, it is an accident.

Yes, we should do most of our practicing unsupported, I agree with that.
But benches are there for load development.

I know that's not the answer you're looking for.
But there is no way you can pick between those two groups knowing they're unsupported.

I really don’t want this topic to hijack my intended topic, but I’ll try to explain my thoughts briefly. If someone’s handgun shoots a 1” group at 25 yards with a really hot load, and a 2” group with a milder load, one would assume they should pick the hot load. In many cases they’re right. But let’s say the shooter just can’t handle the hot load and it causes poor technique, so he shoots 8” groups with that load. Now let’s say he really enjoys the mild load and can handle it better and shoots 6” groups with it. Which load should he choose? I’ve seen this scenario. My father is a perfect example. I have loads that I know work well out of my revolvers, but he just can’t shoot them well due to muzzle blast, recoil, etc. He shoots a milder load much better out of them, but I know that load doesn’t technically shoot as well.

So my philosophy is to develop a load based on the way you’re going to shoot that load. My guns are tools, and they aren’t going to be called upon to shoot off a bench. Just my .02 cents, right or wrong.

Now rifles are a different story.
 
View attachment 854736 All at 25 yards, unsupported, so I am a big variable. I believe a load should be chosen based on how I shoot it, not how my revolver shoots it off a bench, but that’s another topic.

That is the absolute worst way to test accuracy, in spite of your explanation.

You're going about it bass-akwards. Pick loads that produce the recoil that is tolerable to you, then test them for accuracy the right way off a bench.
 
I agree with the previous responses.

You want to eliminate all error when developing a load. That's why you shoot it from a rest.

If most accurate load is too much for you to handle go to a lighter load or work on your technique.
 
At least bench them and see if the load is good or not. Then you can pick between the one you shoot better standing.
My greendot 357 loads are about an inch at 25 yards, but 3 when I'm standing. I'd they were 3 off the bench, I would have kept changing things.
 
The shooter variation when unsupported at 25yds is a greater variance than an estimated 25fps (or less) average difference between the charge weights for the 0.2gr difference in powder.

If someone’s handgun shoots a 1” group at 25 yards with a really hot load...
Don't get me wrong, this is a good example of ammo choices while considering the shooter. That is why there are "light" and "short barrel" defensive loads available. However, it is a hyperbole - an extreme example that in this case does not support this situation, where the powder charges are virtually the same. Neither the 3.7 nor 3.9 charges are different enough to make a difference. It's not like either of these are causing a flinch. The biggest variation is the shooter, not the ammo.

Honestly, I would load 50 of each up and run them again. If you are adamant about not benching it for groups, you would want to weigh each charge to make sure the slop in your powder measure isn't throwing 3.8's. If you end up with about the same size groups unsupported at 25yds, then (unfortunately) you already know what the bottleneck is.
 
put a piece of cardboard behind the target and staple both to that swiss cheese target board.

luck,

murf

p.s. I also agree with the crowd. you should bench the gun to find the most accurate load.

p.p.s. even bullseye shooters bench or ransom rest the gun to work up and accurate load.
 
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Not much can be told on only two targets. If you shot maybe ten of each then compared you will see what you are more consistant with.

Just have fun with it, that's all that counts.
 
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