how will expanded backround checks be enforced?

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there is a lot of talk now about expanded backround checks.

ok, as we all know, any new gun or any purchase at all from a ffl requires a backround check.

to expand that law it will have to cover all private party sales. that's basically the "gun show loophole" that they talk about. where one guy simply hands over the cash for another guys gun and walks away.

neither buyer or seller is likely to tattle on the other. with expanded backround checks both are now criminals.

so how is or would a new law like that be enforced?

it would seem that without across the board gun registration of all guns, so we know the legal owner of each and every gun, enforcement would be impossible?

am I missing something here?
 
They want accountability meaning paper trail for guns. Sadly there is no way to stop acts of terror involving guns. When such events happen it will be increasingly more difficult for politicians not to do something. The least expensive option is to introduce laws that restrict gun ownership.
 
Initial event; warrant search for weapons based on an anonymous tip.

"Where and when did you purchase that evil rifle, Sir, we have no record of that purchase by you of last year's model rifle from licensed seller within the state?"
"I don't have to answer that."
"Then you're under arrest for suspicion of illegal arms trafficking."
"Okay, okay, Fred sold it to me because he needed money for his kid's school vaccines."
 
ok, so what yuall said is exactly what im thinking. universal backround checks fail and now they call for complete registry.

its going to be in increments. when this fails we will go one step further, when the last 3 steps fail we have no choice but to confiscate.

wonder how its going in new Zealand. there a re sum pretty ruff ole boys over there. ive worked with some of them over here and would not want to be on the bad side of them. they are straight up and direct to the point and do what they say.
 
It is not enforceable, except to prevent it from happening at gun shows.

And I do not see it happening, except in the Socialist states of California and NY.
 
Even if someone chose to go through all of this crap and the gov didn’t confiscate within the next 20 years, what do you do about stolen guns? 90% of the pistols used by gangs are stolen from various places. No background check on any of those. So, how does this solve anything? It doesn’t. All it does is restrict law abiding citizens even more. The only way to get rid of the guns is for them to never have been invented in the first place and the last I checked, nobody has a time machine yet. So, none of these people think logically.
 
In my opinion, there is no need for expanded background checks if the government maintains and enforces the system of background checks that are already on the books.
 
AlexanderA's comments reminded me of this.
In the future (or now in CA, IL, NJ etc...you get it) find a way to Avoid closing a deal with any stranger who seems eager, or offers you a large discount to buy their gun, or extra cash for you to sell your gun.
Especially for rifles such as AK derivatives, VZ-58, Sig, HK, AR clones or handguns.

Sometimes they appear clean-cut like ex-military (resembling the Air Marshals I've spoken with, who bypass normal airport security), or could look like they are in a biker gang (undercover agents), with three days' worth of body odor. That's part of their cover when they infiltrate biker gangs. Send me a p.m.
 
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I either sell to the first person who will pay the price or I don't sell.

Nothing in that process depends on the buyer.

If you make a decision based on the buyer, you're responsible if you're wrong. If you simply sell to the first buyer with the money, the responsibility remains with the buyer, which is where it belongs.

How do people not see that? Decisions equal assumption of responsibility.
 
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I either sell to the first person who will pay the price or I don't sell.

Nothing in that process depends on the buyer.

If you make a decision based on the buyer, you're responsible if you're wrong. If you simply sell to the first buyer with the money, the responsibility remains with the buyer, which is where it belongs.

How do people not see that? Decisions equal assumption of responsibility.
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No.

First of all, that wasn't the OP's question.

Secondly, you don't evade responsibility by...... evading responsibility. Failure to exercise even basic due diligence could get you in liability trouble if the gun is misused.

I think you just made the case for Universal Background Checks.
 
AlexanderA said:
I think you just made the case for Universal Background Checks.
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The only "case" for sham "universal" background checks is "It gets us one step closer to confiscation." Of course that's the "case" made by proponents of racially invidious gun controls and the fifth columnists working on their behalf.
 
Deanimator said:
The only "case" for sham "universal" background checks is "It gets us one step closer to confiscation." Of course that's the "case" made by proponents of racially invidious gun controls and the fifth columnists working on their behalf.
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Gun people better start doing a better job of self-policing or we are going to get the worst of the worst jammed down our throats. We are right on the knife's edge of that happening.
 
AlexanderA said:
Gun people better start doing a better job of self-policing or we are going to get the worst of the worst jammed down our throats. We are right on the knife's edge of that happening.
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There could not be another shooting in the United States for the rest of the year and the goal would still be an absolute governmental monopoly on the means of armed force.
 
AlexanderA said:
Gun people better start doing a better job of self-policing or we are going to get the worst of the worst jammed down our throats. We are right on the knife's edge of that happening.
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Lots of guns turn up in wrong hands with many stolen out of vehicles. Sooner or later gun owners will be liable for their loss. Shooting events just make it sooner rather than later. One of their first steps is to defeat the NRA the most influential lobby organization for gun rights.
 
The mob is fickle; it is just their belief that “something” has been done to make our society safer from a random shooting. The law doesn’t have to make sense because the people demanding the fix do not understand the actual result - they just think that there is a result in their favor - the law is measured in the standard of “something is better than nothing” - it is an emotional and not pragmatic endeavor.
 
There will be no enforcement until one is caught. That is how most of the laws work.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but the term I'm hearing from the top is "Meaningful Background Checks", I haven't hear the word "Universal". I'm waiting for details before I get too excited. Red Flag laws worry me more than UBCs.
 
The only way to will be enforced is if you get "caught" for whatever reason with a gun you purchased without a BC check.

Fred and Barney are residents of the same State. Fred sell gun to Barney without BC check. No one knows nothing.

Then one day Barney gets caught using the gun to hold up a 7-11. They do all the investigation. Barney snitches on Fred. Fred then gets arrested by the ATF and made an example of.
Even using the Hillary defense of "I was not aware" Sentenced to life for illegal gun sales.:oops:
 
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