GET YOUR MONEY TOGETHER!!!!

I have three presses that do everything I need to have done, and have no intention of buying another one.
I fished the Great Lakes for the last 10 years I lived in PA. and sold my Grady White when I moved to North Carolina.
If you have a disposable income, buy away.
I'l.p. never have a Dillon just to say I have one, my Hornady LNL-AP and Lee ABLP just run to good for me to have another press sitting around doing nothing for me, for the money I spent for it.
I use that money to help my son and his family, much better use of resources.

ACES&8S said:

T I had to avoid the answer, the stuff resells for about 25% of what you put in it.

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You should have bought Dillon equipment. Used Dillon presses typically go for 80% of new price, if not higher.

You should have bought Dillon equipment. Used Dillon presses typically go for 80% of new price, if not higher.

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I'll bet you'll see that slow down some and it needs to.
Dillon can't stay healthy by selling presses that they will rebuild for free and support for the rest of your life and the next owners life.

No company can sustain that. They need to sell new presses.

They need to compete with RCBS, Hornady, and Lee and stay profitable.

I have nothing what so ever against Dillon. If I would have bought a Dillon, instead of a Hornady, and had as good of luck as I have had with my Hornady, my last post would have said there is no way I would ever buy a Hornady when my Dillon has done everything I ever needed it to do all these years.

They have to be able to compete and stay in business if we want to see Dillon press for sale 10 years from now. That is just business.

If they have to use a vertical tube primer system that looks like Hornady and RCBS use ( perish the thought) to stay profitable, so what.
They haven't taken anything from you Dillon users that own XL650s, if anything, they have insured that you will be able to enjoy their no BS warranty a little while longer.

Dillon's business model is working quite well, not to mention their core business is mini guns.

Texas10mm said:

Dillon's business model is working quite well, not to mention their core business is mini guns.

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https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/get-your-money-together.854095/page-4#post-11190667

bds said:

Fortunately Dillon Precision has other source of revenue like Dillon Aero, Dillon Optics and Dillon gear and accessories - https://www.dillonprecision.com/gear-accessories_8_107.html

With Dillon presses carrying the "No BS" warranty in customers' favor, like Costco's no questions asked return policy, I am sure the free replacement/upgrade cost is factored in their business model and I think it's working as most buyers of Dillon presses become loyal life-long customers.

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I'll bet you'll see that slow down some and it needs to.
Dillon can't stay healthy by selling presses that they will rebuild for free and support for the rest of your life and the next owners life.

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That’s what I thought over 30 years ago, I use that as an example that I’m not always right.

Your already seeing things start to change. Nothing lasts forever, no matter how bad we want it to.

So unless I'm missing something, they
1) changed the primer system ( I only use spp so that doesn't matter to me, but sounds good)
2) added a roller index block (common aftermarket mod, so good for them)
3) tweaked the shellplate in some way that basically does the same thing as the thrust bearing mod?

So it looks like positive change, but not enough to make me change anything or want to dump my 650. Nothing to get carried away about.

greyling22 said:

So unless I'm missing something, they
1) changed the primer system ( I only use spp so that doesn't matter to me, but sounds good)
2) added a roller index block (common aftermarket mod, so good for them)
3) tweaked the shellplate in some way that basically does the same thing as the thrust bearing mod?

So it looks like positive change, but not enough to make me change anything or want to dump my 650. Nothing to get carried away about.

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Walkalong said:

But it make make fence sitters decide to finally buy a Dillon, specifically the 750.

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To be accurate they didn't exactly add the aftermarket idea of a roller bearing, its a cheaper but probably adequate sleeve bearing. And they got to add $50 bucks to the machine with the cheaper primer system without serious complaints!......they're not dumb.

I gotta add one more thing: Part of Dillon's great warranty is no questions asked returns and money back if a customer wants. Nice as that is for the customer, it's a pretty serious expense for Dillon.....it behooves them to reduce occurrences of that the best they can....I'm just surprised it took so long....new leadership comes to mind.

Almost all reloading companies send out free parts. RCBS, and Lyman have been very good to me about doing so.

tightgroup tiger said:

Dillon can't stay healthy by selling presses that they will rebuild for free and support for the rest of your life and the next owners life.

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Sure they can, and they aren’t the only company that does it.

Snap On tools
Craftsman tools
Springfield Armory
Leupold
Buck knives
Kershaw knives
Benchmade knives
Zippo lighters

These are just off the top of my head

Agree with Nature Boys and others, but when the opportunity comes to save money without ruining the product or the market you do it. RCBS made the mistake of selling to a big corporation who calls shots that aren't always in the best interest of the company or their customers. Pray the next generation of Dillon's family doesn't peter out the same way. Holding a company up can be wearing....I know....mine ends with me, my boys had other ideas.

Texas10mm said:

Almost all reloading companies send out free parts. RCBS, and Lyman have been very good to me about doing so.

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Including Lee who outsells all the reloading equipment companies COMBINED world wide.

And the friendly Lee customer service ladies will INSIST they send out free parts even though you explain you broke the part and is outside of warranty.

I love companies with excellent customer service.

Dillon can't stay healthy by selling presses that they will rebuild for free and support for the rest of your life and the next owners life.

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my own quote.
Texas 10mm said

Almost all reloading companies send out free parts. RCBS, and Lyman have been very good to me about doing so.

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Nature Boy said

Sure they can, and they aren’t the only company that does it.

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I said rebuild for free.
I was referring to buying a used one and sending it in for a rebuild. Dillon charges $79.95 for this now instead of doing it for free like they used to
and so does Lee.

tightgroup tiger said:

I was referring to buying a used one and sending it in for a rebuild. Dillon charges $79.95 for this now instead of doing it for free like they used to and so does Lee.

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Yup, Lee has maintained the 50% of retail price for any press rebuild service for decades.

tightgroup tiger said:

I said rebuild for free.
I was referring to buying a used one and sending it in for a rebuild. Dillon charges $79.95 for this now instead of doing it for free like they used to
and so does Lee.

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I've never dealt with Dillon, so I'm wondering if the $79.95 is a base price. In a recent thread, hotshot357 paid $130 for a rebuild.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/dillon-rebuild.854029/

Dave

Dillon charges $79.95 but you have to pay the shipping also. Still probably a deal. Depends on what you paid for it to start with if it's used.

Texas10mm said:

You should have bought Dillon equipment. Used Dillon presses typically go for 80% of new price, if not higher.

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I see that number thrown out frequently but I haven't found that to always be true. 65-70% seems to get more bites than 80%. I have a 550B for sale at 80% of current retail and its been sitting for quite a while.

cadet3 said:

I see that number thrown out frequently but I haven't found that to always be true. 65-70% seems to get more bites than 80%. I have a 550B for sale at 80% of current retail and its been sitting for quite a while.

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Environment, you can get more “bites” if you sell anything under its value. Look at folks that can’t drive past garage or estate sales.

The last 650 I sold went for $1840 on eBay, that means at least two folks were wanting it for that much over Dillon’s list price or some nut was bidding against themselves. That said, I didn’t sell it when things were plentiful.

Sure they can, and they aren’t the only company that does it.

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Craftsman tools

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I wish that were true. Some of the tools are no longer even made. I cringed when Black and Decker bought them. I tried to replace some of the tools I had before the Sears shut down in the city and even some of the screw drivers couldn’t be replaced with the same item.

After Craftsman got sold, I started buying Stanley sockets which I am happy with.

And if you are prone to breaking your tools, Harbor Freight offers lifetime "no questions asked how you broke it" warranty on their hand tools - https://www.harborfreight.com/customer-service-return-exchange.html

"Hand Tool Lifetime Warranty - Lifetime Warranty on Hand Tools - Harbor Freight Tools will replace any hand tool that fails to properly work during the lifetime of the original purchaser. In the event an identical item is not available as a replacement: Harbor Freight Tools reserves the right to substitute a substantially similar item in its place."

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Environment, you can get more “bites” if you sell anything under its value. Look at folks that can’t drive past garage or estate sales.

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I still can't buy the 80% rule that's often stated. Just like you said it depends on your area and unfortunately, the political climate. Anything gun related will sell for higher prices when there's a panic or a run on guns and ammo. If I could sell my 650 right now and upgrade to the 750 for $170, I would do it in a hearbeat.

So just buy the 750 and sell your 650 in the next panic for more than what you paid for 750.

Wait ... that gives me an idea < Looks at wife, "Honey, sweetheart ... I just had a thought" >

I know, I know ... her standard answer would be, "But will it make better rounds compared to your 14 other presses?" (You should have heard the extensive detailed explanation I gave her regarding shell plate tilt/deflection to buy the Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro )

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I know, I know ... her standard answer would be, "But will it make better rounds compared to your 14 other presses?" (You should have heard the extensive detailed explanation I gave her regarding shell plate tilt/deflection to buy the Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro )

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Well that is one of the new features of the 750, seriously. The 750 has shell plate tilt equalized compared to the 650....one of the reasons they "modified" the 650 casting.....so there you go. I fixed my own on my Pro 2000.

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Well that is one of the new features of the 750, seriously. The 750 has shell plate tilt equalized compared to the 650....one of the reasons they "modified" the 650 casting.....so there you go. I fixed my own on my Pro 2000.

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Dang, NOW you tell me ... may have to upgrade to 750.

Would be interesting to see what the OAL variance is for 650 vs 750.