ANTIQUE rifle market a little soft right now?

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Of course, one individual sale of one specific firearm doesn't define the market, but this morning at a local auction I was able to purchase a very nice cartridge conversion New Model 1863 Sharps .50/70 carbine with a 6 groove barrel for under $2,000. Wood unrefinished and looks nearly pristine, cartouche and other markings sharp, a fair amount of case colouring left, bluing strong, no pitting in barrel.

Makes sense though, none of the younger kids want any of this ANTIQUE stuff. Ten years ago, I purchased a cartridge conversion like this one, with the 3 groove insert, in much weaker condition, for $2400 and that was a good price then.

Sad that this high quality stuff that was around during the Civil War is now being largely ignored.

Of course, these are not all that uncommon. When you walk around the local antique arms show, you see a fair number for sale at any given time. Few, if any, have the condition this one has, none have a price tag this low.
 
Antique guns for the current generation is likely to be in W.W. 2 era.
The "antique gun" definition in the GCA '68 badly needs to be updated. Why not have an "antique" defined as anything over 100 years old, just as a "curio or relic" is anything over 50 years old? (This is the sort of thing we could trade to the antigunners in a compromise on guns, along with reopening the MG registry. After all, how could they be against registering illegal machine guns?)
 
I think "antique" weapons will always have value, but definitely will roll off the extreme highs caused by Silents/Boomers with hobby money in hand pushing the prices. I am late Gen X and look forward to purchasing some additional classics at somewhat reasonable cost.
 
The antique "world" in my experience, be it fire arms or furniture, tends to fluctuate in interest and thus value.
That's always a bummer when you are selling but a boon if you are buying.
 
My original '73 holds 14 rounds, so it must be an assault weapon. Winchester didn't realize it, but they had invented the pistol caliber carbine, even though there were no pistols yet chambered for the early cartridges.

How's the market on '73's?
 
I thought once, in 1999, that it made sense to start making antique as anything over 100 years old, so, by now, anything pre 1920 would be antique. But, of course, that never happened. It still makes sense to do it, however, now. But, the trouble is, what happens when firearms such as the AR 15 become a century old, as they are vastly different than anything pre 1920. Never mind that is that not Constitutional, not the intent of the second amendment to register and track firearms, which is what is done with post 1898 firearms.

We define as antique, an object greater than 100 years old. Except, when the Gun Control Act of 1968 came about, antique was anything pre 1899, so, the definition, at that point, was anything 70 years of age or over. If that had been the "definition" at that time, then anything that is pre 1949 would be considered as antique. Actually, it's now been 51 yrs since 1968, so it really would be pre 1950 by now.
 
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I don't believe it was age per se when they came up with the pre-1899 date for antique. Probably more like hard to find cartridges and old style actions.

Moving the date up would include modern, easy to find, calibers and actions. It would be nice, but I doubt it will happen.
 
It had to be age, with the reasoning you give. Obsolescence of available ammunition. Otherwise, if age were not considered along with this, it would have more sense just to make the cutoff 1900 as a year or two one way or another in that time frame wouldn't have made a difference.

Most Congressmen know so little about firearms, I'm surprised they would even be aware of the vast array of cartridges available and which could be considered obsolete.
 
I don't believe it was age per se when they came up with the pre-1899 date for antique. Probably more like hard to find cartridges and old style actions.
The "antique" definition in the GCA '68 was based on input from "Red" Jackson, a well-known Dallas antique gun dealer (who was friends with Sen. Russell Long). The thinking apparently was that the Mauser '98 was a "modern" bolt action. The advent of the Mauser '98 was seen as the dividing line. Needless to say, this rationale is way obsolete today.

(In drafting the bill, it came out that antiques were 1898 and before, rather than that modern guns were 1898 and after. Some legislative aide made a mistake, and it wasn't caught at the time.)
 
Interesting. I like that there was an error, gaining us an extra year.

I did not know that a specific firearm determined the cut off. I just assumed they decided anything 70 years prior to 1968 was considered to be antique.

Do you have source materials/references for this as I would be interested in reading them and learning more.
 
I don't believe it was age per se when they came up with the pre-1899 date for antique. Probably more like hard to find cartridges and old style actions.

Moving the date up would include modern, easy to find, calibers and actions. It would be nice, but I doubt it will happen.
So the SAUM and WSSM would be antiques... I like that type of thinking.
 
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