Speedo66
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OP, perhaps your Glock style 1911 should have a polymer frame and other plastic parts like a Glock.
I know, I know, blasphemy! lol
I know, I know, blasphemy! lol
Glock style 1911
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Or you can get S&W/Sig 1911s with external extractors and not worry about tuning the extractor.
Would you be so kind and explain....
I know nothing about extractors of 1911.
Any version of 1911 with less maintenance has my full attention.
LiveLife
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Most 1911s have "internal" extractor that operates like a flat spring which can be adjusted by bending and this is some of the "tuning" other members have posted. Once the case rim of round in the magazine clears the magazine lips, magazine spring tension will push the case rim up along the breech wall face and inside the extractor. Some will even round/radius the bottom of the extractor to allow the case rim to slide up easier if there still is a problem.Would you be so kind and explain....I know nothing about extractors of 1911.Or you can get S&W/Sig 1911s with external extractors and not worry about tuning the extractor.
Any version of 1911 with less maintenance has my full attention.
S&W and Sig 1911s have hard formed "external" extractor like those on Glock/M&P that operate like a lever tensioned by a coil spring and do not require adjustment/tuning, they are simply replaced.
Here's Wilson Combat video on checking and adjusting extractor tension.
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rskent
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Or you can get S&W/Sig 1911s with external extractors and not worry about tuning the extractor.
But is a 1911 with an external extractor still a 1911? I think not.
Its more like an abomination.
entropy
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And, from first hand experience, I will say that this is why issue 1911A1's were not known for their accuracy. I tuned the ones in my Arms Room for the post pistol matches, but they lost that interchangeability. The 1911 (not A1) in my Arms Room, a Colt-made one serial # checked out for 1917 manufacture, was by far the most accurate we had.
I have a full sized Ruger SR 1911. When I first bought it I would get hit in the head by ejected cases from time to time. I could have sent the pistol back to Ruger & I am sure they would have taken care of it but I went online & did a search & tuned the extractor. It has been fine since. It is relatively simple.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/01/23/shot-2018-dasan-aluminum-2011-style-glock-lower/
OMG, I'll stick with my Sigs
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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My box stock stainless Colt 1991 is very accurate and 100% reliable------only things I've done to it are to keep it cleaned and lubed
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I own or have owned about half a dozen 1911 or "1911 inspired" pistols. One was a factory lemon and had to be returned and repaired. The rest have run reliably and well with nothing more than the simple cleaning and lubing that any of my firearms get.
IMHO it wouldn't have been adopted by a a major military power if it were finicky.
IMHO it wouldn't have been adopted by a a major military power if it were finicky.
Skylerbone
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What is tuning? Well, like poly pistols 1911s don’t all shoot a standard ammo, military yes, commercial pistols no. My 1911s run 3 bullets with regularity; 200gr cast semi-wadcutters and 185gr and 230gr XTPs. Different bullet weights, different powders, and different velocities mean “tuning” is an ongoing thing; not process.
To me tuning my 1911s is as simple as grabbing the correct spring for ejection where I want it. When we picture the AR-15 we think of Sprinco Springs in different colors, bolt carrier profile, and buffer weight to prevent bounce and “tune” ejection. And because of that parts swap the process of tuning will be ongoing until I own enough 1911s for each load I choose to shoot.
Now, related to all that the web says about “tuning”: most complaints come from people who read about “reliability” tuning, or the process by which sloppy manufacturing and assembly techniques are made up for. Adding extractor tension and reprofiling. Replacing or restaking the plunger tube. Polishing the feed ramps (2). Adjusting the sear spring. Magazines. Don’t get me started on magazines.
In general the above list of items is a 1-time affair that makes 500-1,000 round performance possible with only lubrication. It means my 1911s will feed empty cases and all manner of bullet profile. No mushy safety, no failures to lock on empty. Some of it can be done at home with a few tools, other work is practically surgery.
What you start with will determine the extent to which most “tuning” is necessary.
My S&W E-Series spat out 100 rounds without a hiccup its first outing but I had other plans for it.
Now thousands of trouble-free rounds later.
The external extractor.
Showing the correct feed ramp relationship and polish.
And sometimes you want a Colt because it’s a Colt.
To me tuning my 1911s is as simple as grabbing the correct spring for ejection where I want it. When we picture the AR-15 we think of Sprinco Springs in different colors, bolt carrier profile, and buffer weight to prevent bounce and “tune” ejection. And because of that parts swap the process of tuning will be ongoing until I own enough 1911s for each load I choose to shoot.
Now, related to all that the web says about “tuning”: most complaints come from people who read about “reliability” tuning, or the process by which sloppy manufacturing and assembly techniques are made up for. Adding extractor tension and reprofiling. Replacing or restaking the plunger tube. Polishing the feed ramps (2). Adjusting the sear spring. Magazines. Don’t get me started on magazines.
In general the above list of items is a 1-time affair that makes 500-1,000 round performance possible with only lubrication. It means my 1911s will feed empty cases and all manner of bullet profile. No mushy safety, no failures to lock on empty. Some of it can be done at home with a few tools, other work is practically surgery.
What you start with will determine the extent to which most “tuning” is necessary.
My S&W E-Series spat out 100 rounds without a hiccup its first outing but I had other plans for it.
Now thousands of trouble-free rounds later.
The external extractor.
Showing the correct feed ramp relationship and polish.
And sometimes you want a Colt because it’s a Colt.
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captain awesome
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Skylerbone, Those are gorgeous grips. Where did they come from?
Skylerbone
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Those are from Sarge. https://thefinergrain.com/. Originally ordered two pair but made the mistake of showing dad. He fell for the maple burl set I was going to use on the Colt and now they’re on his Colt! These are the box elder burls.
If you zoom in on the first pic you’ll notice the S&W has an odd size frame, something like a Les Baer. The Colt’s frame however is nicely covered frontstrap to mainspring housing as are most other 1911s and oh so comfortable.
Chauchat.
Skylerbone
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Thank you. Both started out rather standard fare and sent to Rob Schauland at Alchemy Custom, now a division of Cabot. They were light re-works for his pay grade but he still sat down with me to discuss exactly what I wanted and worked within my budget.
How it started; duck bill grip safety, FLGR, and basic controls. Now with Greider, Kart, Cylinder & Slide, Ed Brown, Les Baer.
Garandimal
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Didn't need "tuning," hammer reliable, and the 18.5" Wolff recoil spring "dropped in" just fine.
GR
LOL. Fair enoughDidn't need "tuning," hammer reliable, and the 18.5" Wolff recoil spring "dropped in" just fine.
GLOCK - wishes they had a pistol with a trigger this sweet.
GR
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It seems that picture always seems to fool someone. There is somehow people on this planet that think Glock would make a 1911. But they never will. Glock makes 1 trigger and it is called squish.
It's the real sights that instantly tells a person that Ed Brown's been photoshopped..
rskent
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I would think that putting in a heaver recoil spring would be considered “tuning”.
rskent
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It's the real sights that instantly tells a person that Ed Brown's been photoshopped..
I’m guessing he wouldn’t make me one.
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