How many of your guns are over 100?

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Almost forgot about this one because I don't shoot it. The lockwork is worn, springs are weak, so I probably wouldn't shoot it even if I did have any .32 Short Rimfire ammo. It's a "Defender" revolver circa latter 1870's - 1880's. They were made under a variety of names and were some of the lowest price handguns in that era. IMG_1399.JPG IMG_1400.JPG Inherited this from an uncle who had never fired it either. I think someone gave it to him many years ago. Now it's just an interesting tidbit in the history of cheap guns. Not even considered a "collectible".
 
22250Rem said:
Almost forgot about this one because I don't shoot it. The lockwork is worn, springs are weak, so I probably wouldn't shoot it even if I did have any .32 Short Rimfire ammo. It's a "Defender" revolver circa latter 1870's - 1880's. They were made under a variety of names and were some of the lowest price handguns in that era.View attachment 858196 View attachment 858197 Inherited this from an uncle who had never fired it either. I think someone gave it to him many years ago. Now it's just an interesting tidbit in the history of cheap guns. Not even considered a "collectible".
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There are a couple cheap ways of reloading your own 32 rimfire ammo




 
I have 5 that are over 100 years old. The oldest is a Colt single action Army percussion that was manufactured in Feb. 1863. I have never fired it but I often wonder about its history. Coming a bit newer I have an 1873 and an 1884 Springfield Trapdoors. These I shoot frequently. Then I have a very strange revolver called a Velodog made around 1900, no ammunition available so I have never fired it. Lastly I have an Ithaca double barrel 12 gauge that belonged to my grandfather. It dates from about 1912. He took many deer with it as he lived in the peoples republic of New Jersey where you could only hunt with a shotgun. When I was a teen, I took quite a few ducks and geese with it. Last time I fired it was more than 20 years ago but it still functions perfectly.
 
crest117 said:
Then I have a very strange revolver called a Velodog made around 1900, no ammunition available
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What caliber is you Velodog?? The Europeans loved that little style of gun it seems.. IT was sold under the baby hammerless name and it seems everyone made a copy of those..
 
I am not sure of the caliber, around .22 or .25? I'll have to dig it out and see if it is marked. I was told by a collector that it was probably made in Belgium. The oddest thing about the gun is when you pull the trigger back it does not fire until you release it slightly, I have never encountered such a system before.
 
crest117 said:
I am not sure of the caliber, around .22 or .25? I'll have to dig it out and see if it is marked. I was told by a collector that it was probably made in Belgium. The oddest thing about the gun is when you pull the trigger back it does not fire until you release it slightly, I have never encountered such a system before.
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"Dead man's trigger." Some Europeans like those.
 
crest117 said:
I am not sure of the caliber, around .22 or .25? I'll have to dig it out and see if it is marked. I was told by a collector that it was probably made in Belgium. The oddest thing about the gun is when you pull the trigger back it does not fire until you release it slightly, I have never encountered such a system before.
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Many thanks for sharing, yeah those rascals were not big about printing the caliber on those things..

I do not have a proper pedigreed Velodog. Have a couple of the Baby Hammerless but do not think that is a right trigger pull.. Love those regions of the world like the Liege region of Belgium, Basque region of Spain and Suhl Germany where they have a mass of gun makers coping designs and making bootlegs to beat the band..

Only place I can think today is the khyber region in Pakistan, you know in a sane world that would be a gun collectors tourist destination.
 
indy1919a4 said:
wow that sounds funky... pull a trigger and what..the attacker really knows your serious and then walks away..?? What do you do walk around with trigger pulled??
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No, you'd have to .... veeerrrrrryy carefully, lower the hammer with your thumb as you would a Colt 1873.
Typically these guns were used by rough men who figured there was a high chance of dying. Many were altered in the field, not the manufacturer.

One shouldn't get the idea I'm approving of guns like this.;) Be careful if you use it.
 
I dug the Velodog out of my safe to examine closely. A very unusual, very little revolver. It is a 5 shot revolver, hammerless, and loads through a gate on the right side. The trigger is rather large and folds forward. There is a removeable rod under the barrel to push out fired cartridges. The bore measures .256 inches. As I stated, the trigger must be pulled all the way back and then fires when released slightly. There is also a safety on the left side with the fire position marked FEU and the safe position marked SUR. There is a mark on the frame PV with a horizontal line over it and a star or asterisk under it. If anyone can give me some more info about this revolver I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
 
Tommygunn said:
No, you'd have to .... veeerrrrrryy carefully, lower the hammer with your thumb as you would a Colt 1873.
Typically these guns were used by rough men who figured there was a high chance of dying. Many were altered in the field, not the manufacturer.

One shouldn't get the idea I'm approving of guns like this.;) Be careful if you use it.
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Well if you look at those baby hammerless or Velodogs there is no hammers... ouch....
 
crest117 said:
I dug the Velodog out of my safe to examine closely. A very unusual, very little revolver. It is a 5 shot revolver, hammerless, and loads through a gate on the right side. The trigger is rather large and folds forward. There is a removeable rod under the barrel to push out fired cartridges. The bore measures .256 inches. As I stated, the trigger must be pulled all the way back and then fires when released slightly. There is also a safety on the left side with the fire position marked FEU and the safe position marked SUR. There is a mark on the frame PV with a horizontal line over it and a star or asterisk under it. If anyone can give me some more info about this revolver I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
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Come on some pictures please :) :) :)
 
crest117 said:
I dug the Velodog out of my safe to examine closely. A very unusual, very little revolver. It is a 5 shot revolver, hammerless, and loads through a gate on the right side. The trigger is rather large and folds forward. There is a removeable rod under the barrel to push out fired cartridges. The bore measures .256 inches. As I stated, the trigger must be pulled all the way back and then fires when released slightly. There is also a safety on the left side with the fire position marked FEU and the safe position marked SUR. There is a mark on the frame PV with a horizontal line over it and a star or asterisk under it. If anyone can give me some more info about this revolver I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
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Aside from that velo is French for bicycle and these guns were meant for people on bikes in fear of vicious dogs, no. And I'm sure you knew that already.

We'd sure like to see a picture though.
 
Many many thanks.. :)

Hey look at this forgotten video on them and see if some of these proof marks can help you..

By the way he is gutsier then me I only shoot 22 cb caps in mine and many times step back to 6mm Flobert rounds..
But I am a coward and like to feed myself with my own fingers.



page with Belgium inspection stamps

https://www.hunting.be/wp-content/uploads/Belgian-Proof-Marks.pdf
 
crest117 said:
I have 5 that are over 100 years old. The oldest is a Colt single action Army percussion that was manufactured in Feb. 1863. I have never fired it but I often wonder about its history. Coming a bit newer I have an 1873 and an 1884 Springfield Trapdoors. These I shoot frequently. Then I have a very strange revolver called a Velodog made around 1900, no ammunition available so I have never fired it. Lastly I have an Ithaca double barrel 12 gauge that belonged to my grandfather. It dates from about 1912. He took many deer with it as he lived in the peoples republic of New Jersey where you could only hunt with a shotgun. When I was a teen, I took quite a few ducks and geese with it. Last time I fired it was more than 20 years ago but it still functions perfectly.
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The Colt Single Action Army revolver was produced beginning in 1873. It also was not percussion, firing metallic cartridges, beginning with .45 Colt.

I assume you refer to a Colt 1860 Army revolver?
 
A Krag Jorgenson, still being shot gently,
a 1864 Springfield with its issued bayonet and scabbard
Two 1900 era Stevens single shot shotguns
Not far off is my 1933 Oberndorf Mauser 98, which is my main hunting rifle, still as fine as the day she was born,
a 1922 Belgium Browning patent .38o, still shoots just fine...a wonderful little pistol, I guess that is about it..
Over 50: two Winchester 94s, an Ithaca 37 20 gauge, another Mauser 98 (1943 vintage, sporterized), a mid 60s production Savage 99 in .308.
I don't have much use of anything made too recently....
 
Daveboone said:
A Krag Jorgenson, still being shot gently,
a 1864 Springfield with its issued bayonet and scabbard
Two 1900 era Stevens single shot shotguns
Not far off is my 1933 Oberndorf Mauser 98, which is my main hunting rifle, still as fine as the day she was born,
a 1922 Belgium Browning patent .38o, still shoots just fine...a wonderful little pistol, I guess that is about it..
Over 50: two Winchester 94s, an Ithaca 37 20 gauge, another Mauser 98 (1943 vintage, sporterized), a mid 60s production Savage 99 in .308.
I don't have much use of anything made too recently....
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I'd like to see that oberndorf, nice to see guys using the nice old German sporters.
 
I made a mistake describing my 1863 Colt percussion revolver. It is an 1860 Army .44 caliber, not a Colt single action .45. I took it to an antique gun show where I found a guy who had a several of the same model Colt's. He looked up the serial number and it showed a manufacturing date of Feb 1863. He seemed to know a lot about these models and inspected it carefully. He said it was original except that the percussion nipples had been replaced. Sorry for the error Orpington, you are correct.
 
Thirty at least. A ton of 19th century milsurps. My two Broomhandles. Everything in the case is over a hundred. The Krag carbine is a cut down rifle.The #2 rolling block on the left is my oldest gun. A .32 rimfire. It was made shortly after the end of the Civil War. Hiding behind the center post is an unissued, near perfect 1895 Chilean Mauser in 7MM........with an equally near perfect mis-matched bolt!:( The 03 is a low number.

I have at least fifteen or twenty more but they are downstairs....and I don't do stairs very well anymore.
 

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