WHAT IS THIS???

Yes it’s a Savage No4 Mk1*, but it has little to no Collectors value.
If you look at the receiver ring you can see that it has been drilled and taped. It is also drilled and taped on the top left of the charging bridge.
The parts you would need to restore it would cost you close to $200 or more. But then you would need to fill the D&T holes to make it look right.
There are good sporter stocks that can be found if you look. It should make a great shooter if the bore is good.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Ya, a Promag aftermarket job. They dont have a great reputation.

The original ones look like this-
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There arent a ton of spares around, though, because they were not meant to be swapped when reloading, but rather a semi-permanent part of the gun. The Enfields were supposed to be reloaded from the top via 2x5-round stripper clips-

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Night lord
The mag you have pictured is for a No1 Mklll. You can tell by the groves on the side of the mag, they go all the way to the bottom. You can see in the second pic that the groves stop just short of reaching the bottom of the mag.

GunnyUSMC said:

Night lord
The mag you have pictured is for a No1 Mklll. You can tell by the groves on the side of the mag, they go all the way to the bottom. You can see in the second pic that the groves stop just short of reaching the bottom of the mag.

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Are they functionally interchangeable?

I see similar sporterized enfields selling for around $300 to $400 around here. I would buy it if I came across it in that price range, but I like saving old derelicts.

That is a "Truck Gun" if I have ever seen one! It is not worth a lot so it won't depreciate much if it gets banged up a bit. BUT it is still an excellent rifle that will NEVER malfunction and will serve you very well! The .303 cartridge will take care of anything in the lower 48 that might threaten you. It is definitely a gun to be used and enjoyed instead of preserved carefully in a safe some where.

I have a couple Enfields, one in .303 and one in .308 and I would take a Sweed over an Enfield any day... but these are really just fighting words as everyone has their own preferences!

MosinT53Hunter said:

British Enfield, No4, MK 1 most likely in 303 British. Its been sporterized, and the receiver scrubbed of markings.

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Definitely a No. 4 Mk. 1* due to the lack of a bolt dismounting spring on the right side of the receiver.

The markings are on the left side of the receiver. Not scrubbed. There should be a "U.S.Property" marking on the top flat of the receiver. Does the serial number on the bolt handle match the number on the receiver?

This looks like a good candidate for a restoration. The only thing that would bother me would be the mounting holes for the removed scope mount.

someguy2800 said:

I see similar sporterized enfields selling for around $300 to $400 around here. I would buy it if I came across it in that price range, but I like saving old derelicts.

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Wow that seems high! The ones I’ve seen actually sell and not the asking price were around 200-250 (unless it was done very nicely). I know online the 303 ishapores fetch 3-400, and the lithgow or BSAs bring 4-600.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Are they functionally interchangeable?

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If I remember right, they do not interchange.

Yep. The butt stock has been cut.
Call Outback Gun Parts to see if they have the parts you need.
(812) 945-0480

Try Liberty Tree Collectors.

eBay normally has a good selection of stocks and hardware. If the bore is good, it would be worth restoring. I went to a big gun show in Raleigh, N.C. a few weeks ago, and Lee Enfield rifles were going for $500 and up. Some of these were really ragged. Couldn’t believe people were paying that much, but it’s been awhile since I was in the market.

303 hunter said:

eBay normally has a good selection of stocks and hardware. If the bore is good, it would be worth restoring. I went to a big gun show in Raleigh, N.C. a few weeks ago, and Lee Enfield rifles were going for $500 and up. Some of these were really ragged. Couldn’t believe people were paying that much, but it’s been awhile since I was in the market.

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problem is, once it has been drilled & tapped you CAN'T RESTORE IT!

Merle1 said:

problem is, once it has been drilled & tapped you CAN'T RESTORE IT!

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Wouldn’t restore it to sell, but I would do it to keep for myself. Some JB Weld would fill those holes nicely.

303 hunter said:

Wouldn’t restore it to sell, but I would do it to keep for myself. Some JB Weld would fill those holes nicely.

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You could probably find some threaded plugs to fill in the holes.They would just look like extra screw heads.

GunnyUSMC said:

If I remember right, they do not interchange.

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You are correct, the No. 1 magazines do not fit the No. 4 as is. You will encounter No. 1 rifle magazines that have been retrofitted to work in the No. 4.

That is not the major cost issue that it was as both the No. 1 and the No. 4 repro magazines are now available for a reasonable price that are remarkably similar to the originals and they seem to feed well. Both Sarco and Numrich are stocking these replacement magazines. These are not the ProMag replacement ones which can work but do not resemble the originals.

Restoring a Savage No. 4 can work, given that it is already D&T'ed, if the chamber and bore is okay, then you might want to fix it up as a No. 4, Mk. 1 T (for sniper rifle). In reality, few Savages were converted into T rifles for whatever reason but the duplicate sniper scope mounts are available. You can also find scope mounts for the No. 4 that are not original but if you put a period scope on it can look close to the original look of the No. 4 Sniper.

You can also fix the d&t holes with blind plug screws and given that the No. 4's were usually painted in Suncorite, there are pretty close substitutes to that in spray enamel paints for engines and the like which is far easier than matching bluing.

I recently restored a Longbranch No. 4, Mk 1/3 and the cost was not that bad despite starting with only a barrelled receiver. Finally obtained a Lithgow No. 1 WWII era receiver that I am restoring as a wall hanger. The No. 1's right now are a bit more expensive to restore than the No. 4's. due to the shortage of forends and the delicate front handguard. Buttstocks are available for both rifles pretty cheap and replacement forestocks for the No. 4 are available even in New Old Stock condition. Handguards are also available as is the missing barrel bands, etc.

BTW, the British issued buttstocks in bantam, short, regular, and long.

"Stock, Gun, Shoulder, Bantam.Walnut, 31.24 cm (12.300 in) lg, 12.14 cm (4.780 in).

Stock, Gun, Shoulder, Short. Walnut, 35.51 cm (12.800 in), lg 12.14 cm (4.780 in)

Stock, Gun, Shoulder, Normal. Walnut, 33.78 cm (13.300 in), lg 12.14 cm (4.780 in)

Stock, Gun, Shoulder. Long. Walnut 35.03 cm (13.800 in), lg 12.14 cm (4.780 in)"
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?395622-No4-Mk2-Buttstock-Length

Waveski said:

I have already considered JB weld. If I do decide to restore this rifle it would not be with any illusions that I could improve the value to the point where I could make money selling it. It would simply be a matter of making it right.
Labor Day is behind us. Winter is coming. Might be a nice project.

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If you are going to fill the holes with epoxy, I recommend DevCon as some of their epoxies are naturally black when applied. The plug screws you can get from Brownells for pretty cheap. I have also seen people use allen wrench plug screws and then fill the allen wrench hole or if you are good with a file, get a longer slotted one than you need and file the top off flat which takes care of the slot (protect the rest of the receiver if you do that. Done carefully, you should not damage the rest of the finish. Try brpguns.com for parts on Enfields and they have a blown up schematic so that you can see which parts you are missing. Right now, they are the most competitive pricewise compared with Sarco and Numrich but may not have all of the parts. Apex Gun Parts is another source. For the forestock, your best bet is to check ebay on a regular basis or check Numrich or Sarco. Someone is now making replacement beech No. 1 forestocks for Sarco and you might find something similar from Numrich or a one off stock that they got.

On a few of the No. 4 Savage Rifles, the U.S. property markings were removed during FTR (re arsenaling for the Brits) or it was done later for whatever purpose.

OK I did not see the scope mounting holes in the only picture I thought they would be in, maybe a no gunsmithing type B Square sort of thing?

Call me a Philistine but I might just hack the barrel and front sight off shorter and sweat on a new base and front sight, Brass screw and valve grinding compound new crown, Ortho blue what I can and paste wax the ortho blue, Spend $25 to $30 bucks on a magazine if that one does not work and stick it behind the seat of the truck

Or you can spend north of $200 ( go to Gun Parts Corp and look it up) and lot of your time and effort and still have a No.4 parts gun that is not "original"

Bubba has already had his way with this one. clean it up and make it a working gun.

-kBob

MikeInOr said:

That is a "Truck Gun" if I have ever seen one! It is not worth a lot so it won't depreciate much if it gets banged up a bit. BUT it is still an excellent rifle that will NEVER malfunction and will serve you very well! The .303 cartridge will take care of anything in the lower 48 that might threaten you. It is definitely a gun to be used and enjoyed instead of preserved carefully in a safe some where.

I have a couple Enfields, one in .303 and one in .308 and I would take a Sweed over an Enfield any day... but these are really just fighting words as everyone has their own preferences!

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I'm generally in agreement here... remember that the North Canadian Rangers used No4 Enfields exclusively until very recently because it is that tough and dependable.

AlexanderA said:

This looks like a good candidate for a restoration. The only thing that would bother me would be the mounting holes for the removed scope mount.

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I would suggest not worrying too much about the scope mount D&T's... just use the proper plug screws. Don't throw away any parts like the existing rear sight and its base pin, detent, and lock pin either. If, after you put it back right, you think about mounting another scope, you are looking at the flexibility to do so without boogering anything up.

I checked Liberty Tree Collectors, and they have several different lengths and colors of stocks and forestocks. They also have butt plates, barrel bands, and other small parts for decent prices.

Waveski said:

Is the bolt serial# matching to the receiver? Apparently not.
What about the butt stock - has it been shortened? From trigger to butt I measure approx 12 1/2". Feels short to me.
Century arms - I called them and was told "If it's not on the website we don't have it". There were no Enfield stock components on the website. If I were to put this rifle back to shooting condition I am pretty sure that I would want original stocks - at the very least fore end. Any source suggestions for that?

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IIRC, there were three lengths of buttstock. True the buttstock has been shortened a little to install that recoil pad, but when this rifle was new, the average man was shorter than the next two generations. Also, across Northern Europe, the uniform jackets and overcoats were probably thicker, too. You might find a good replacement on eBay.

[I typed this before reading boom boom's post concerning there being four lengths of buttstock issued.]

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Glad it won't be, maybe I should take up dump and dumpster diving as a hobby besides guns and guitars.