while your observation seems obvious, i would like to point out that THR is not an exclusive echo chamber for 2A advocates. individuals opposed to the 2A are welcome to join and participate. we don't ban antis as long as they behave.
Beto's gun rant
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LiveLife
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+1 on Freedom of Speech.
And as I have noticed, since the fervent push for gun ban/confiscation by the antis, I am seeing a change in sentiment/posts by the traditionally anti leaning members.
If they are gun owners, in the end, I guess they want to keep their guns after all.
"Enemy of my enemy is my friend" and Beto just pushed all the gun owners together to stand for gun rights/2A in solidarity.
Together as one, for gun rights/2A!!!
That's the only thing in your post I don't fully agree with. I think there just aren't enough people who don't already have their bases covered on ARs and AKs to make a banic any longer.
Robert Francis just did all pro-2A folks a huge favor by making everyone woke to the intent of the Antis.
LiveLife
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Well, CA gun owners have had our gun rights "raped" for decades and now the antis just told us they are going to "murder" (gun ban/confiscation) our gun rights/2A.
So why should any gun owner cooperate with any raping of our gun rights/2A?
You bet, gun owners will now fight.
And any "notion" of AWB just died in law makers' minds.
Oh my, 2020 here we come.
And I bet all the law makers just reviewed their gun rights/control stance/policy for re-election as expressed by New York Times - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-want-to-ban-confiscate.856249/#post-11232931
AlexanderA
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." --- Ralph Waldo Emerson
DustyGmt
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I like to think I won't get raped. Because I have an "assault weapon" I will not be the one getting murdered.
SilentStalker
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I don’t have enough. Looking to add more. And if you actually use them, they wear out!
I hope so but I fear gun owners will do more of what they always do, sir on their loins.
FlSwampRat
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Jammersix, Trey is not just talking an unpopular opinion, if I may guess at his core meaning, he's talking about them advocating abrogating a Constitutional Right, that's a bit more than a simply unpopular opinion. And yes, if people couldn't advocate the unpopular opinion there's a problem.
We're not talking fringe political groups like The Rent's Too Damn High Party or the Flying Spaghetti Monster Is Real Party, we're talking the Democrat party that's been well over 150 years. A party with roots that trace back to Jefferson. That's a good bit different than someone on a soapbox on a streetcorner.
Incidentally, if you want a giggle check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States.
SilentStalker
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If that’s how you justify it...
Personally, I believe such a ban is a definite possibility maybe 6 or more years from now and it's going to make prohibition look like a birthday party.
Talk to your Congress critters
Vote for your RKBA in 2019, 2020 and beyond
Talk to your Congress critters
Vote for your RKBA in 2019, 2020 and beyond
FlSwampRat
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Personally I like the way Joe Pags says "Beto"....
DustyGmt
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As opposed to all other bullets which are meagerly designed to only marginally disrupt soft tissue, organs, etc...
You only have to be smarter than an idiot to figure out these guys are snakes and will say whatever they can to sway people toward their agenda....only 99.9% of which is false
LiveLife
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- Politicians lie and will say whatever to get them re-elected.
- CA gun owners have been lied to for decades and those of us left are fighting back and winning to overturn anti gun/2A laws with the help of conservative pro gun/2A federal judges like Benitez
- As already shown, anti gun/2A laws CAN be overturned.
- Other states CAN become like CA and NY with any election, so vote wisely for your gun rights/2A
- "Common sense" gun control/reform = Gun ban/confiscation and slippery slope just became a freefall
- US Supreme Court = Enforcer of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights
- Law makers must follow SCOTUS rulings
The intent of the antis has been blatantly obvious for decades. Heck why do you think Heston said “from my cold dead hands” in the first place?. All pro2a folks I know have known this forever.
The only thing that’s changed is that the antis have stopped lying about it. And it’s now the fence sitting independents who may wake up to realize we were right all along.
This is akin to debates in the 1990s about whether or not the media was bias. Yes they always were. But in the trump era they’ve stopped pretending and there is no more debate.
But for sure Beto just did us all a huge favor.
IMHO the imperative of the next few weeks is to permanently destroy the phrase “common sense gun laws” by attaching it to “hell yes we’re going to take your ar15”. Independents need to know it was always a sham
AlexanderA
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Darn right!
If you want to see people weeping for having to give up their guns, look at this YouTube snippet on the aftermath of the Varkiza Agreement, in Greece in February 1945. The Resistance was ordered to disarm even though the war was not yet over.
This happened in the very month and place where I was born.
I am not going to be disarmed.
ETA: A lot of the weaponry was kept secretly despite the orders. Some of it periodically turns up even to this day.
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DustyGmt
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It continues to amaze me how many people who claim to be pro gun are actually going with the "ban them" crowd.
I'm a 3rd year apprentice electrician so we work with different contractors who hunt, fish, shoot, etc... and it's interesting to hear their attitudes when a pro/anti gun message or conversation comes over the radio. Alot of them reinforce the views of the anti's and say "well yeah what do you think is gonna happen when you got people running around with a 13 shot clip"(super hi cap) or "there is no reason for gods green grass anybody needs a military M16 with military clips". (Yeah, I know).
Its shocking how much thought someone is willing to put into something before recommending a course of action that would eliminate a constitutionally protected individual right.
I have shared my views and even respectfully with kid gloves you cannot convince these people to give it a second thought..... nope, ban em.
I'm a 3rd year apprentice electrician so we work with different contractors who hunt, fish, shoot, etc... and it's interesting to hear their attitudes when a pro/anti gun message or conversation comes over the radio. Alot of them reinforce the views of the anti's and say "well yeah what do you think is gonna happen when you got people running around with a 13 shot clip"(super hi cap) or "there is no reason for gods green grass anybody needs a military M16 with military clips". (Yeah, I know).
Its shocking how much thought someone is willing to put into something before recommending a course of action that would eliminate a constitutionally protected individual right.
I have shared my views and even respectfully with kid gloves you cannot convince these people to give it a second thought..... nope, ban em.
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Ephraim Kibbey
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MOST people are not single issue voters and while many of them are gun owners, they believe that not having family members gunned down in a Walmart is more important than them having an AR15 to PLAY with.
Ephraim Kibbey
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You do realize that even Scalia recognized that the 2nd amendment did not prevent the government from regulating or taxing the TYPE of guns that were allowed to be owned by individuals. The AR15 was banned for 10 years by a REPUBLICAN administration. Your right to own one was not constitutionally protected then, nor is it now!
badkarmamib
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In case these are not your personal feelings;
My comments stand.
It doesn't matter how unpopular an opinion, it doesn't matter how egregious the sentiment is. It doesn't even matter if it's the Klan or the Nazis. It doesn't matter if it's competitive kitten drowning. Within legal lines, what the opinion is simply doesn't matter. At all.
The only thing that matters is whether or not they're free to state it.
Charlie Horse
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Which Republican administration are you talking about?
DustyGmt
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Not me. I would never put my own personal need for a false sense of safety ahead of the individual rights of the people. That's the problem with people these days, too many people concerned for themselves and no concern for preserving the liberty and individual freedoms we are all supposed to be able to take for granted.
My AR15 and people getting gunned down in wal mart have nothing to do with each other.... Also, you seem kind of anti gun.
Here's Heller for you.
Antigun folks think the first paragraph allows banning of ARs. Antigun folks think it doesn't. Lower courts usually think it does with some exception. SCOTUS hasn't dealt with it. The lower courts have progun dissents as has SCOTUS on this issue. Unless they take a ban case (they have refused so far) and come up with unambiguous support for bans not being constitutional, they will roll in the states and Federally depending on the elections and public/legislative moral panics.
As Frank says - your personal opinion on the Constitution doesn't matter.
Antigun folks think the first paragraph allows banning of ARs. Antigun folks think it doesn't. Lower courts usually think it does with some exception. SCOTUS hasn't dealt with it. The lower courts have progun dissents as has SCOTUS on this issue. Unless they take a ban case (they have refused so far) and come up with unambiguous support for bans not being constitutional, they will roll in the states and Federally depending on the elections and public/legislative moral panics.
As Frank says - your personal opinion on the Constitution doesn't matter.
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