Omg- SIL left her gun in the vacation rental!

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George P said:
UPS doesn't have any type of firearm license. I have taken dozens of guns over the years to both UPS and FEDEX for shipment to either the maker or a buyer's FFL It isn't a big deal.
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I tried taking a handgun for a warranty repair to a UPS Store and they informed me they couldn’t take it. I had to take it to a specific UPS drop off location because they had the proper shipping license to do it. Perhaps it was based on that ones location ability to second day air ship?

Maybe it’s a requirement of my state to have it based on specific commercial transaction type?

I agree with dogtown tom’s assertion based on personal experience but maybe I was misinformed on the reason behind the requirement.
 
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You cannot use the UPS store; you must take it to a UPS service center (where the trucks are) Those stores are franchises. There is no license, UPS corporate made it their policy regarding those stores
 
George P said:
You cannot use the UPS store; you must take it to a UPS service center (where the trucks are) Those stores are franchises. There is no license, UPS corporate made it their policy regarding those stores
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Ok, makes sense. The guy behind the counter told me wrong then.
 
I don’t believe you need an FFL to ship it being that the gun is not being transferred.
 
Hope it turns out well. I left a nice stainless cup in a hotel once. I’d leave without my wallet or cell phone before I left without the pistol though. If that’s not the case with them, we know where to keep them next time.

Not a slight, keep the car keys in the safe with the firearm and you can’t leave without it.
 
460Shooter said:
Maybe UPS Store was the wrong term.

UPS Customer Center is more appropriate. What matters is they have to have the proper license. And I believe you are correct, a “UPS Store” typically doesn’t have that license.
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Huh? o_O
No license of any kind is required of a common carrier to ship or transport firearms. The reason UPS policy prohibits shipping from a UPS Store is the fact they are not owned by UPS...they are franchisees.

It has nothing to do with a license.
 
George P said:
UPS doesn't have any type of firearm license. I have taken dozens of guns over the years to both UPS and FEDEX for shipment to either the maker or a buyer's FFL It isn't a big deal.
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Whether you used FedEx or UPS isn't the issue, its whether you abide by the carriers policies.
FedEx allows firearm shipments from any FedEx Office location because they are company owned. Same with their Customer Service Centers.

UPS allows shipping only from customer service centers.

Both do not allow shipping from a third party retailer. (such as The UPS Store, Office Depot, Bobs PacknShip,etc)

While it may not have been a big deal yet, if you violate the carriers policies they can lawfully deny any claim for loss, damage or theft.
 
dogtown tom said:
Whether you used FedEx or UPS isn't the issue, its whether you abide by the carriers policies.
FedEx allows firearm shipments from any FedEx Office location because they are company owned. Same with their Customer Service Centers.

UPS allows shipping only from customer service centers.

Both do not allow shipping from a third party retailer. (such as The UPS Store, Office Depot, Bobs PacknShip,etc)

While it may not have been a big deal yet, if you violate the carriers policies they can lawfully deny any claim for loss, damage or theft.
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Never violated their policies. At one time, a few decades ago, I also has a FFL; but even afterwards, shipping a gun via either is not something that is hard, complicated or illegal
 
dogtown tom said:
Huh? o_O
No license of any kind is required of a common carrier to ship or transport firearms. The reason UPS policy prohibits shipping from a UPS Store is the fact they are not owned by UPS...they are franchisees.

It has nothing to do with a license.
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Yep, already acknowledged. The guy at the UPS store informed me incorrectly.

I understand that now.
 
Why didn’t she know about small “gun safes” for cars, thicker, but about the length/width of an iPad?
About $30, and ShootPointBlank will let you try one in Your car’s console or elsewhere.

I can’t imagine taking the risk of bringing a handgun into a hotel etc.
The Sig or CZ is often in my car’s totally concealed safe, secured to the seat frame by a thin (black) but fairly strong steel cable.
 
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Ignition Override said:
Why didn’t she know about small “gun safes” for cars, thicker, but about the length/width of an iPad?
About $30, and ShootPointBlank will let you try one in Your car’s console or elsewhere.

I can’t imagine taking the risk of bringing a handgun into a hotel etc.
The Sig or CZ is often in my car’s totally concealed safe, secured to the seat frame by a thin (black) but fairly strong steel cable.
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If legal in the state you are in, what is the risk for bringing a handgun into a hotel you were staying? If someone breaks into your room, would they wait till you went out to the vehicle to obtain your weapon? Believe me, hotels/motels are noted for crime.
 
Ignition Override said:
Why didn’t she know about small “gun safes” for cars, thicker, but about the length/width of an iPad?
About $30, and ShootPointBlank will let you try one in Your car’s console or elsewhere.

I can’t imagine taking the risk of bringing a handgun into a hotel etc.
The Sig or CZ is often in my car’s totally concealed safe, secured to the seat frame by a thin (black) but fairly strong steel cable.
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Not trying to argue, but what risk? If your a ccw holder and its not posted then what's the big deal? If you leave it goes with you.

I would never leave a firearm in a vehicle in a hotel parking lot. Hotel parking lots are a hot spot for vehicle break in's because they know your sleeping and probably left valuables inside. Little sheet metal safe or not my handguns go inside the room with me and put in my suit case with keys and wallet until I leave for the day. I also leave a do not disturb sign on the door all the time, even when gone because I don't want anyone in there with my stuff. I had a comfort in tell me I couldn't bring long guns into the room when I was out of town hunting. I told her the Holiday Inn that we just left had 4-5 vehicles broken into last night and hunting stuff stolen. My rifles are in hard cases and no one can see what it is. I dragged totes, bags, rifles, and anything else into the room.
 
Ignition Override said:
Why didn’t she know about small “gun safes” for cars, thicker, but about the length/width of an iPad?
About $30, and ShootPointBlank will let you try one in Your car’s console or elsewhere.

I can’t imagine taking the risk of bringing a handgun into a hotel etc.
The Sig or CZ is often in my car’s totally concealed safe, secured to the seat frame by a thin (black) but fairly strong steel cable.
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What risk? I can't imagine staying in a strange place without my gun on the nightstand. Have had too many instances of drunks or crazies thinking my room was someone else's.
 
Demi-human said:
What is the form for?
I'm not an FFL holder and don't like to be wrong.
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If the "form" is the 4473 it's a transfer document. The FFL is required to hold on to it for a minimum of 20 years, then they can dispose of it. If the FFL goes out of business they area supposed to send them into the BATFE, where they go to a warehouse.

Your state may have additional forms. But in Free America the only form required is the 4473.
 
Ignition Override said:
I can’t imagine taking the risk of bringing a handgun into a hotel etc.
The Sig or CZ is often in my car’s totally concealed safe, secured to the seat frame by a thin (black) but fairly strong steel cable.
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I guess I don't understand this either.

Motel and hotel parking lots have been targeted many times by thieves as they are a shopping center of valuable good left in vehicles by weary travelers. I typically try not to leave anything of value in my vehicle when staying in lodging, as my valuables will undoubtedly be safer with me in my room. Just because you leave valuables out of sight also doesn't mean a thief won't break in and go looking.

I also don't stay in a strange place without a gun on hand specifically because of this:
George P said:
Have had too many instances of drunks or crazies thinking my room was someone else's.
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I will not prop a motel/hotel room door open either. It is closed and locked at all times. I try to stay in nicer places as it is just a better experience and it's also a safer one because party animals typically stay in cheaper places. But I don't care if I'm staying at the Ritz Carlton, my guns will be in my room.
 
George P said:
Never violated their policies. At one time, a few decades ago, I also has a FFL; but even afterwards, shipping a gun via either is not something that is hard, complicated or illegal
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Well, be perfectly clear....did you drop off these shipments at a UPS Store or at a UPS Customer Service Center? UPS policy clearly prohibits shipping firearms from a UPS Store.

As far as "not something that is hard, complicated or illegal".....I disagree and so does anyone else that has read UPS policies.
It's "hard" because UPS Customer Service Centers are often many miles away. I live in Plano, TX a city of 280,000 that's a suburb of Dallas. The nearest UPS Customer Service Center is 30 miles and a 45 minute drive from me. That ain't exactly convenient is it?

It's "complicated" because the shipper must abide by Federal law regarding interstate firearms transfers, must abide by obscure, not easily found USPS regulations, obscure UPS/FedEx policies and filter through the bad advice from USPS/FedEx/UPS counter clerks......which often could lead to a felony.

It's illegal if you ship a firearm in violation of federal law. Whether you choose USPS/FedEx/UPS doesn't change the laws regarding interstate firearms shipments.
 
Demi-human said:
What is the form for?
I'm not an FFL holder and don't like to be wrong.
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The form you fill out at a gun dealer is a Firearm Transaction Record, most commonly called a Form 4473.
It merely records the initial transfer of a firearm from a licensed dealer to a buyer/transferee under Federal law. It in no way, shape or form "registers" that firearm to the buyer. The buyer can sell/gift/trade that firearm the next day without notifying the dealer, law enforcement, ATF or anyone else.

Only a small handful of states require any form of real gun registration, where every sale/trade/gift or other transfer requires permission or notification to a state agency of the transfer of possession. Giffords says its currently six states that https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/gun-owner-responsibilities/registration/
 
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