NJ Magazine backfires as not a single one has been turned in

If I were a prosecutor in NJ, I'd be passing concerned that this level of non-compliance wu=ould seriously increase the risk of jury nullification if this were the only charge being brought.

New Jersey has long had an "assault weapons" ban. "Assault weapons" purchased prior to 1 May, 1990 are legal to own but must registered with the state police. There ain't a big bunch of AK 47 and AR-15 "normal capacity" magazines out there.

Except for inherited handguns, the New Jersey state police keep records of every handgun transfer in the state.

Why would anyone drive to a state police station when he/she can simply throw magazines in the trash?

Deanimator said:

There is literally NO way to stop people from making inexpensive SMGs without literally treating machine tools, sheet metal breaks and 3d printers the way actual machine guns are treated now.

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Even then, you wouldn't stop it. There were plenty of shortwave receivers in occupied Europe even when the Nazis dictated summary execution for possession. Same thing for printing presses turning out broadsheets in the Warsaw ghetto.

People value freedom.

Sistema1927 said:

People value freedom.

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Amen, so does justice Gorsuch - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...with-question-on-the-second-amendment.856201/

"Bill of Rights and liberty ... Judges are the backstop to ensure rights and liberties, that is our job"

I dont plan on obeying any magazine ban laws. WA has plans to ban them now and I guess I'll just say I got all mine before the ban if it comes up.

I used to rely on a six shot 357 if a tweeker found his way into the homestead. Now I keep a 556 next to the bed with a 30 round mag loaded with green tips. I now plan for a crowd.

The Colorado magazine ban is a non-entity. You can still purchase regular capacity magazines (20 - 30 round) in shops and as far as I know there has not been a prosecution for possession of a banned magazine. Laws that are not enforced or are unenforceable are not really laws.

Steel Horse Rider said:

The Colorado magazine ban is a non-entity. You can still purchase regular capacity magazines (20 - 30 round) in shops and as far as I know there has not been a prosecution for possession of a banned magazine. Laws that are not enforced or are unenforceable are not really laws.

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The trouble is these laws pile up and create a legal fault line, increasingly the likelihood of a sudden monumental shift. Loads on the books and all of a sudden a new regime comes in and gives ATF resources to enforce them under a hostile administration.

As some have warned, confiscation of firearms could lead to bloodshed.

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Yeah, 'cause, you know THAT will make people less likely to want to ban weapons.

CharliesHammer said:

I used to rely on a six shot 357 if a tweeker found his way into the homestead. Now I keep a 556 next to the bed with a 30 round mag loaded with green tips. I now plan for a crowd.

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We must have similar views as I too have my .357 in its holster hanging on a wall rack next to the bed. It also holds a 12 ga. SxS shotgun (with double triggers) and an AK with a 40 rd. banana - JIC.

WVGunman said:

Yeah, 'cause, you know THAT will make people less likely to want to ban weapons.

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Confiscation of arms, ball, and powder led to some bloodshed at Lexington and Concord. It didn't make the British government any less likely to to ban weapons either. Some things are worth fighting for.

I have a few that are absolute dog squat that I bought some time between 1994 and 2004.
Figured some damaged or garbage ones that belong in the scrap bin would get turned in.

alsaqr said:

New Jersey has long had an "assault weapons" ban. "Assault weapons" purchased prior to 1 May, 1990 are legal to own but must registered with the state police. There ain't a big bunch of AK 47 and AR-15 "normal capacity" magazines out there.

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Not exactly true. I know several people from NJ and others who still live in NJ.

While all of them are law abiding in every other area in their life, almost all of them own guns and mags that are illegal and banned in that state.

It’s a common fact of life that people just ignore the law for the most part.

Bang! said:

“Not a single one.” Impressed so many in NJ have that much backbone to take such a strong stand. Maybe their strength will encourage the rest of us. Appears a few on THR needs some of that strength.

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Agree, what is still amazes me is the same people in these states still vote for their mindless lefties each go around. You can't have both sides, every person must make a decision to vote 2A and support the politicians who do.Either put up or shut up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

wojo65 said:

Agree, what is still amazes me is the same people in these states still vote for their mindless lefties each go around. You can't have both sides, every person must make a decision to vote 2A and support the politicians who do.Either put up or shut up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Do they have a viable choice? We always say that if you don't like your elected representatives, you can vote them out but there seems to be so little choice in that region. I have a brother in law from NYC, who has lived here for over 18 years, and he's still amazed that there is so much diversity of thought in political candidates here.

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Do they have a viable choice? We always say that if you don't like your elected representatives, you can vote them out but there seems to be so little choice in that region. I have a brother in law from NYC, who has lived here for over 18 years, ad he's still amazed that there is so much diversity of thought in political candidates here.

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That's a valid point but I do think there are people who can and would run if they new support was there. I used to live in Bucks County, PA for 20 years. This area is outside of Philly on the Delaware river border of NJ. The same people who I hung around with at the gun clubs, hunted with etc still voted for Democrats. Not all of them but a good percentage did. I could never understand the logic, I think if momentum was started and people saw the impact a solid conservative could do in legislation more people would support them. I also know that there are some areas like NYC where it is almost a futile attempt of that ever happening. After all they offered up AOC !!

wojo65 said:

Agree, what is still amazes me is the same people in these states still vote for their mindless lefties each go around. You can't have both sides, every person must make a decision to vote 2A and support the politicians who do.Either put up or shut up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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It isn’t those same people. The demographics are changing and none of these states were the most conservative to begin with. Their vote is being drown out in a big way now. Same thing that happened to me and everyone I knew in California.

They’re the canaries in the coal mines. This lunacy is exactly what’s coming to every state.

Those people just aren’t going along with the program and turning all their stuff in.

Oh sure, there’ll be the occasional sportsman who somehow wrestles with his conscience because of propaganda, societal pressure and the new law and turns in something he got to play around with. I’ve more seen the other. Getting drown out.

To respond to your statement though they didn’t vote for it.

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That's a valid point but I do think there are people who can and would run if they new support was there. I used to live in Bucks County, PA for 20 years. This area is outside of Philly on the Delaware river border of NJ. The same people who I hung around with at the gun clubs, hunted with etc still voted for Democrats. Not all of them but a good percentage did. I could never understand the logic, I think if momentum was started and people saw the impact a solid conservative could do in legislation more people would support them. I also know that there are some areas like NYC where it is almost a futile attempt of that ever happening. After all they offered up AOC !!

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And then you have to contend with what happened here. When the Democrat party self destructed, their politicians jumped ship. They "SAW HE LIGHT," and one party rule here means that we have politicians who can't define conservatism claiming to be conservatives.

People DO tend to vote for freedom when given the chance. I feel so badly for those who don't have the option.

4v50 Gary said:

You may measure the corruption of the state by the number of laws it has that are ignored.

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Some poor out of state person will get pulled over for speeding and have a "high capacity" magazine in their car and get the book thrown at them. I recall people being prosecuted for having a cartridge loose in their cars in NJ.

hps1 said:

In case you have missed it, here is a sample of their idea of "common sense gun law".

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/66/text

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That's Feinstein's "assault weapons ban" that has perennially been introduced every year since the previous ban expired.

Observations:
1. This bill includes grandfathering and does not include registration.
2. Considering the huge number of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines extant, this bill will have far less effect than the previous AWB. In fact, it's fair to say that this is a feel-good, unenforceable nullity. The main effect would be to put a crimp on further manufacture. Prices of existing guns would rise modestly.
3. The bill does not reflect the current thinking of the antigunners. They are well aware of the things pointed out in (2) above, and that's why they want "mandatory buybacks," i.e., confiscation. But confiscation is not politically palatable to a majority of the public. The antigun crusade is therefore at an impasse (federally, not on a state-by-state basis).

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Unfortunately every state is cursed with high density urban cities which are largely responsible for the outcome of elections, not to mention the higher "gun violence" in such population centers.

In case you have missed it, here is a sample of their idea of "common sense gun law".

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/66/text

Regards,
hps

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Exactly, each state does have their pockets of blind followers who have yet to provide any basis to the meaning of "common sense" laws. When you see a congresswomen, Sheila Jackson Lee make this type of comment... “I held an AR-15 in my hand, I wish I hadn’t. It is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving. And the bullet that is utilized, a .50 caliber, these kinds of bullets need to be licensed and do not need to be on the street.”, there is no possible way for them to even understand what a "common sense gun law" is. How do they even think that they can pull 500 million guns off the streets when they can not and will not solve Chicago's gun problem? If they want a common sense gun law lets start with a common sense border wall, then we can move onto a common sense law to round up the illegal aliens, then entertain a common sense law for drug trafficking and so on. To me this seems to be a far better place to start applying common sense and lets see what results become of it.............Something else to ponder, a friend of mine who is a FFL dealer told me he has his books periodically reviewed according to policy. He keeps a list of all the people who failed a NICS back ground check, he has never been asked by the ATF for this list to be followed up on. He has offered it as well, I would think this would be a good list for the ATF to look into people who may be trying to illegally buy a gun?

OK ... then let's look at "common sense motor vehicle control/reform" to stop deaths by cars ... I mean, who needs a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds which can kill a person when hit/ran over?

... Oh, thousands of pounds of steel are there to protect the driver?

... Oh, guns and the Second Amendment exist to protect the gun owner?

Didn't read the entire thread, but this is not a victory. I also doubt NJ law makers expected a flood people turning their mags in... For those who kept them, you can't carry them in public, you can't use them at the range, and you can't tell any and everybody know you have them. You can use them for self defense in the home, but you risk bring charged. You could use them and then hide them, but then you're risking another charge. If you or anyone else is found with one, you'll be charged... You can't legally buy more in your state, and just about all out of state venders will not ship them to you.

If that's winning, I hate to see what losing looks like...