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Consider the demographics of a state. Progun legislation may continue in traditionally progun areas. However, two things are important:

1. New folks moving into states dominated before by rural areas. Urban folks may not be gun purists. They may think that having an SD gun is fine but support stringent background checks, Red flags and don't see the need for Modern Weapons of War (oh, dear). They see themselves as passing background checks, not being turned in the purge or defending whatever with an assault style rifle.

2. Rampages that continue unchecked will erode opposition to UBCs, Red Flags and banning military style semi autos even among those previously opposed to restrictions.

Shoot up a school with kids with an AR, and you better have a better rationale for owning them, than 'shall not', 'God given', 'the socialists are coming'.
 
Virginia Jim said:
This is why we need the electoral college.
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No, that would be the tyranny of the minority. It's bad enough at the federal level. We don't need it at the state level.

And, BTW, minority rule is just not sustainable in the long run. That is how you get revolutions.
 
States with inner cities are the issue.The population dictates votes. In NJ north NJ inner cities control the state as south Nj is very 2nd amendment friendly.. In PA the issue is Pittsburgh,Harissburg and Philly,rural PA is 2nd amendment freindly. Id like to be more positive but it seems to be the status quo.Colorado ,Aurora ,Denver etc and all the liberals coming from Cali are killing 2nd amendment support . Don't mean to be negative but.........
 
Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose

We ain’t there yet so nothing’s going to stop the erosion, especially boycotts.
 
Ks5shooter said:
States with inner cities are the issue
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And that is a pressing isue here in Texas. There are, functionally, 10 major metro areas (and virtually all have some sort of "inner city"). Those metro areas occupy right at 25 of the State's 254 Counties, and represent almost 80% of the State population.

Luckily, our representation is not as concentrated a our population, and our governance reflects that (witness some of the changes that went into effect on 1 Sept), at least at present.
 
Ks5shooter said:
States with inner cities are the issue.The population dictates votes.
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Northern Virginia doesn't have an "inner city" (in the sense of a "ghetto"). That's across the river in D.C. Northern Virginia is all suburban.

If we assume that inner cities will vote for the blue team, and rural areas will vote for the red team, then the battlegrounds are the suburbs.
 
George P said:
It's hard to appreciate freedom when you are dependent on the government for all of that "free stuff"
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True and those in power know it.
Even with the best of intentions, when you give a person something they could have attained on their own, you are taking far more than you give.
 
AlexanderA said:
We have all those things here in Virginia. But it's a fragile situation. We're one legislative election (this November) away from losing all these things, and more.

If it can happen in Virginia it can happen anywhere.
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Perhaps Virginia should cede Arlington County and Alexandria back to Washington DC as it was before retrocession. That would stick a lot of those blue voters back in DC where they can’t do any more damage to gun rights.
 
AlexanderA said:
No, that would be the tyranny of the minority. It's bad enough at the federal level. We don't need it at the state level.

And, BTW, minority rule is just not sustainable in the long run. That is how you get revolutions.
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Minority rule through brainwashing of the masses by the minority is what we have now. Maybe we need a revolution. At least we would have to choose sides. LOL
 
mjsdwash said:
10 years ago Washington was in the top 5 most gun friendly states, easily beating Texas for gun rights. Then we started trucking in the left to stuff out ballot boxes. Now we're out of the top 20. Crime is up, Taxes are up, three counties just found out the "only applies to the rich tax" applies to near everyone, and they're going crazy over it. Texas is doing the exact thing that we did. Make sure you keep people voting, we have about 12% voter turn out here. Every anti-rights bill or politician could have easily been beat if people got off the couch (you don't even have to leave your yard to vote)
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In the general elections it's more like 35%

https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/research/voter-turnout-by-election.aspx

Your premiss is on the mark however. We have mail in ballots so voting doesn't get any easier than that.

We're losing our RKBA by people who are too lazy to vote. 35% tells me people can't be bothered to participate in an essential effort to maintain any of our freedoms, not just our RKBA.

This country is in decline and I don't see a lot of hope in reversing that. How easily we forget the lessons of history.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
In the general elections it's more like 35%

https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/research/voter-turnout-by-election.aspx

Your premiss is on the mark however. We have mail in ballots so voting doesn't get any easier than that.

We're losing our RKBA by people who are too lazy to vote. 35% tells me people can't be bothered to participate in an essential effort to maintain any of our freedoms, not just our RKBA.

This country is in decline and I don't see a lot of hope in reversing that. How easily we forget the lessons of history.
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There is no point in voting when the republicans run some neocon trash like Mitt Romney.
 
Mr_Flintstone said:
Perhaps Virginia should cede Arlington County and Alexandria back to Washington DC as it was before retrocession. That would stick a lot of those blue voters back in DC where they can’t do any more damage to gun rights.
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That would make a temporary change in the balance of power, at best. The real elephant in the room, in northern Virginia, is Fairfax County. Anyway, nobody is proposing such a change. The proposals on the table are (a) statehood for the District, or (b) ceding most of the District back to Maryland.
 
Virginia Jim said:
It CAN happen in Virginia because of the all the Liberals in Northern Virginia Cities and suburbs. The majority rules and the city dwellers will soon have the majority.
This is why we need the electoral college.
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Man you got that right!! Look at our Governor and his followers. They are destroying this state. A true Cancer. Literally destroying every thing in their path. Where I live we use to be a proud Red state. Stood up for the Flag, supported our Troops and police. Now everything going to hell in a basket. And they will succeed in taking away our 2nd amendment.
Hopefully we all join the fight against them. May the South rise again.
 
AlexanderA said:
Romney is a paleocon, not a neocon.
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He's anti-gun and more effective at getting it done than Obama. Same with social medicine.

Tommygunn said:
Why do Rs always shoot their feet off?
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If Mitt had won 2012 I was certain he would gain enough bi-partisan support to get gun legislation passed. Obama could not, and did not gain that support.

CoalTrain49 said:
You should always vote. It's a privilege few in the world have. It's also the reason many Americans have died or were wounded in combat. Don't throw that away for any reason.
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I do what I feel called to do. It's also a privilege not to vote. Many nations require your participation and enforce it via law. I like being left alone mainly and in turn treat others similarly. My politics are probably further rightward than even most here are comfortable with but neither do I seek to impose my will on others politically. The neocons running the conservative side since the late 80's aren't anywhere remotely representative of my beliefs. So I cannot support them.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
You should always vote. It's a privilege few in the world have. It's also the reason many Americans have died or were wounded in combat. Don't throw that away for any reason.
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Not voting is a way of expressing disgust with the choices you are offered. The option to not vote is one of our democratic rights. In many other countries, voting is mandatory -- sometimes even with criminal penalties if you don't vote. Those countries are not any more democratic than we are -- in fact some of those "mandatory vote" countries are dictatorships. I refused to vote for president in 2016, and I may do that again in 2020. (Note that conscientious non-voting is quite different from simply being too lazy or uninvolved to vote.)
 
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