Kyrsten Sinema response re gun legislation

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Thank you for contacting me about S. 7, the Extreme Risk Protection Order and Violence Prevention Act of 2019. I always appreciate hearing from Arizonans about issues facing our state and country. It is important that we have conversations about topics that matter to you and your family, and I hope you will continue to reach out to me and share your perspectives and suggestions.

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees the rights of Americans to keep and bear arms. At the federal level, the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968 set the minimum standards for firearms regulation. Individual states and localities may enact stricter firearms laws.

After a workplace shooting in 1999, Connecticut became the first state to enact a risk warrant law, also known as a red flag law, that allows law enforcement officials to petition a judge to order the confiscation of firearms from an individual believed to pose a threat to him or herself or others. Since then, and particularly after the February 2018 Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting in Parkland, Florida, other states have enacted similar laws. Fourteen states now enforce versions of Connecticut's original risk warrant law, also known as Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO) laws.

Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) introduced S. 7, the Extreme Risk Protection Order and Violence Prevention Act, on January 3, 2019. This legislation, by creating a grant program administered by the U.S. Department of Justice, encourages states to enact and implement ERPO laws. To qualify for grant funding, a state law must conform to certain requirements, including the establishment of a process whereby family members or law enforcement officers can petition for an ERPO from a court. To grant such an order, the court must find clear and convincing evidence that an individual poses a significant threat to self or others. The order's duration may not exceed 12 months, but may be renewed. The person subject to the order retains the right to request a full legal hearing to vacate the order or its subsequent renewal. If the court finds that the individual does present a danger to self or others, the person must surrender all firearms to local law enforcement authorities. The authorities will provide a receipt and all confiscated items will be returned when the order expires. Supporters of S. 7 contend the legislation does not compel any action by states, but instead encourages lawful preemption and prevention of gun violence in American communities while preserving legal due process. Opponents believe the legislation infringes on Americans' Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. S. 7 was referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, where it may be considered.

The Second Amendment protects our fundamental rights as Americans, and I support those rights. I also believe there are commonsense actions we can take to increase safety and prevent needless deaths. I agree with a majority of Arizonans that people who are violent felons or dangerously mentally ill should not have access to firearms. Empowering family members and sworn law enforcement in our communities who recognize potentially dangerous behavior to act through a court of law can help prevent violence while ensuring due process for Arizonans. I support legislation to expand mental health first aid training for first responders and school staff. I cosponsored legislation backing scientific research to understand the causes of gun violence in our country. I also support bipartisan legislation expanding the current background check system to cover firearm sales by licensed and unlicensed dealers, and I will continue working with Senators from both parties to protect our rights while supporting measures that will save lives and build safer communities.

Thank you for sharing your view on this issue with me. Please do not hesitate to contact our office with any future questions or comments. Additionally, if you would like to stay connected to our office with the latest news, legislation, and other useful information, please visit our website, sinema.senate.gov.
 
red flag laws: another "child protective services" bureaucracy with mental health tests, instead of drug tests, before you can get your guns, instead of child, back. anyone can call and turn you in because the caller thinks you may be crazy or violent toward you or others (instead of toward your child).

another guilty until proven innocent plan to, at least temporarily, take all your firearms.

bad idea.

murf
 
The Second Amendment protects our fundamental rights as Americans, and I support those rights. I also believe there are commonsense actions we can take to increase safety and prevent needless deaths. I agree with a majority of Arizonans that people who are violent felons or dangerously mentally ill should not have access to firearms. Empowering family members and sworn law enforcement in our communities who recognize potentially dangerous behavior to act through a court of law can help prevent violence while ensuring due process for Arizonans. I support legislation to expand mental health first aid training for first responders and school staff. I cosponsored legislation backing scientific research to understand the causes of gun violence in our country. I also support bipartisan legislation expanding the current background check system to cover firearm sales by licensed and unlicensed dealers, and I will continue working with Senators from both parties to protect our rights while supporting measures that will save lives and build safer communities.

Again with the Common Sense Laws that no one can seem to articulate in detail.

Felons and Mentally Ill or Unstable Dangerous persons ( legal gun owners ) should not have access to firearms. Problem is criminal do not submit to background checks and the Mentally ill or Unstable are Protected by Federal HIPPA Privacy Laws so they are not reported by LAW! But then they will not tell you that. Instead they want to enact these End Around Laws like S 7, or ERPO. Now they want to allow any Police officer or Family Member to be able to petition the court. They do not need any special training in mental health assessment just a judgment or opinion. The Court that hears this, does it need to be a Village Court? City Court? County Court? State Court? Does it need to be heard by and elected Judge or can it be just a Court Commissioner?

Lastly current Background Checks have proven to be a failure and useless in preventing any of this. In the past few years all but one shooter has obtained their guns after submitting to a background check. Tell that to Ms. Sinema and then ask her what she plans on doing about the HIPPA Laws.
 
I think the current law re mental illness is that someone who was involuntarily committed is a prohibited person. Which means there is a court record. Can one of our resident attorneys please tell us whether such a court record is protected by HIPAA?

Voluntary mental health treatment OTOH, does NOT disqualify a person from owning firearms, so the fact that it's HIPAA protected is irrelevant.

If a person is really a threat to him/herself or others, why not just use existing laws and commit him/her involuntarily?
 
Voluntary mental health treatment OTOH, does NOT disqualify a person from owning firearms, so the fact that it's HIPAA protected is irrelevant.

If a person is really a threat to him/herself or others, why not just use existing laws and commit him/her involuntarily?

James Holmes, the Colorado theater shooter was a HIPPA Protected Voluntary Patient. Is he Irrelevant?

I believe there is a huge difference between being picked up and taken in to a hospital involuntarily than having the police show up to seize your guns with a warrant w/o taking you yourself into custody because someone made an accusation.. If you want to come to my home and take me into custody for my protection and then prove me unfit that is fine and the way it should be. Then come get my guns. Guns first doesn't cut muster.
 
James Holmes, the Colorado theater shooter was a HIPPA Protected Voluntary Patient. Is he Irrelevant?
No. But if I'm not mistaken, if a doctor believes his or her patient might commit murder, they are REQUIRED to report it, just like if they see a child who has clearly been abused they have to report it. I have a vague recollection that Holmes' doctor DID report him, but authorities dropped the ball. If you or somebody else here has the details of that case I think it would be germane to our discussion.

I believe there is a huge difference between being picked up and taken in to a hospital involuntarily than having the police show up to seize your guns with a warrant w/o taking you yourself into custody because someone made an accusation.. If you want to come to my home and take me into custody for my protection and then prove me unfit that is fine and the way it should be. Then come get my guns. Guns first doesn't cut muster.
We agree, that's why I wrote "If a person is really a threat to him/herself or others, why not just use existing laws and commit him/her involuntarily?"
 
We agree, that's why I wrote "If a person is really a threat to him/herself or others, why not just use existing laws and commit him/her involuntarily?"

Only I see a great difference between removing a person into protective custody and coming with a warrant to only remove firearms. they do not have to meet the same scrutiny. Also the person being effected is not removed to protective custody. They are free to go about their business. Only now they have to hire a lawyer.
 
Only I see a great difference between removing a person into protective custody and coming with a warrant to only remove firearms. they do not have to meet the same scrutiny. Also the person being effected is not removed to protective custody. They are free to go about their business. Only now they have to hire a lawyer.
Apparently I'm not communicating well. What I am trying to say is, FORGET 'RED FLAG' GUN CONFISCATION LAWS, CONCENTRATE ON TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE WITH DANGEROUS MENTAL ILLNESS USING EXISTING INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT LAWS. Once the person is involuntarily committed they are a prohibited person.

Does anyone here know whether the government takes away such a person's already owned firearms in addition to prohibiting them from buying any new ones?
 
Apparently I'm not communicating well. What I am trying to say is, FORGET 'RED FLAG' GUN CONFISCATION LAWS, CONCENTRATE ON TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE WITH DANGEROUS MENTAL ILLNESS USING EXISTING INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT LAWS. Once the person is involuntarily committed they are a prohibited person.

Does anyone here know whether the government takes away such a person's already owned firearms in addition to prohibiting them from buying any new ones?

I believe they do take them, making the subject have to go to Court to argue against the seizure of their property and any potential firearms prohibition.

Stay safe.
 
I agree with a majority of Arizonans that people who are violent felons or dangerously mentally ill should not have access to firearms.
-I thought that felons, violent or otherwise, were already forbidden to so much as touch a gun.

-I also thought that those with mental problems were legally protected from having their conditions made public.

This sounds like a bunch of - ah - "misdirection" to me.
 
the person must surrender all firearms to local law enforcement authorities. The authorities will provide a receipt and all confiscated items will be returned when the order expires. .


Not to mention a number of other troublesome aspects of this bill, one further provision stands out.

After being scooped up and carried off like firewood and stored in a crowded evidence room, I'm sure said firearms will be in the same condition as they were when confiscated......................Oh, that's right, I didn't see any such guarantees in the bill.

Regards,
hps
 
"I believe in the 2nd amendment" blah blah blah
BUT

the Old Common Sense Gun Control BS

The Second Amendment protects our fundamental rights as Americans, and I support those rights. I also believe there are commonsense actions we can take to increase safety and prevent needless deaths. I agree with a majority of Arizonans that people who are violent felons or dangerously mentally ill should not have access to firearms. Empowering family members and sworn law enforcement in our communities who recognize potentially dangerous behavior to act through a court of law can help prevent violence while ensuring due process for Arizonans.

Well there is no "due process" with Red Flag laws!
 
It is starting to make sense to me that if someone mentally unstable to the point of taking their guns away, they are mentally unstable enough to be confined to a mental institution. This would eliminate the threat and fix the problem by possibly healing the individual.

Fact is, it is way cheaper to just take the guns away, than to get mental health care in this country. This country is great but it sure has some gigantic blind spots.
 
Take away their guns because of the danger to others.
Leave them their driver's license, ability to purchase flammables and other dangerous chemicals, knives, etc.
Explicitly, do not require those with mental problems to get mental health care or to be institutionalized if they can not help themselves.
 
It is starting to make sense to me that if someone mentally unstable to the point of taking their guns away, they are mentally unstable enough to be confined to a mental institution. This would eliminate the threat and fix the problem by possibly healing the individual.

Fact is, it is way cheaper to just take the guns away, than to get mental health care in this country. This country is great but it sure has some gigantic blind spots.
There is a huge shortage of beds.
 
Take away their guns because of the danger to others.
Leave them their driver's license, ability to purchase flammables and other dangerous chemicals, knives, etc.
Explicitly, do not require those with mental problems to get mental health care or to be institutionalized if they can not help themselves.
All of which demonstrates conclusively that the anti's are NOT really about preventing gun violence.
 
No. But if I'm not mistaken, if a doctor believes his or her patient might commit murder, they are REQUIRED to report it, just like if they see a child who has clearly been abused they have to report it. I have a vague recollection that Holmes' doctor DID report him, but authorities dropped the ball. If you or somebody else here has the details of that case I think it would be germane to our discussion.

The balls dropped by law enforcement on a lot of these shooters' cases are frightening. The Parkland shooter had so many encounters with police of various agencies that it's more than disheartening, is maddening. Once again I'll beat that drum. "Fix the laws and systems we have now in place before we think about adding more that aren't going to work against their intended targets."

We agree, that's why I wrote "If a person is really a threat to him/herself or others, why not just use existing laws and commit him/her involuntarily?"
I have a sneaky suspicion that they make new laws to appear like their "doing something!" and justifying their salaries.
 
The Second Amendment protects our fundamental rights as Americans, and I support those rights. I also believe there are commonsense actions
Which is the same old tired BS from anti gunners. I support the 2nd, BUT........and then when they throw in "common sense", you know it's over. Vote the antis out.
 
After watching Beto's comments in the video with Colion Noir, I am starting to agree that the real agenda is confiscation.
Back when gun control started to really get its legs on the national stage in the 60s, there was a lot of talk about banning handguns. Eventually, they realized that they were turning off more people than they were wooing, so it morphed to "common sense" gun controls or laws. Now, Mr. Robert Francis decided to let this fall out of his mouth, and the proverbial cat is out of the bag.

Knowing that
A. Very little if anything on the political stage is unscripted
B. This was SO far out of the mainstream in middle America
C. There was never a chance for him to actually win the nomination.
I wonder if this was trial balloon. Did someone else put him up to this to see where everybody else was on the issue, how unpopular this woud be, or something else. Like in algebra, in politics, its necessary to have all the variables...
 
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