JFrank
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All my guns were lost in the flood 
Colt 1911 “lunch box” gun
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Kevin Keith
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That one's as old as Noah's toes and twice as corny!All my guns were lost in the flood
JFrank
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Shows how much I get out an around. Geez
Well don’t tell nobody else cause I might use it again sometime...
Joshua M. Smith
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An obliterated serial number may still be raised by some of these processes, and it's still possible the serial number was lightly stamped, or electropenciled on.
entropy
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The one the OP originally posted was made with a serial number, and at some point it was removed. That makes it contraband, yet the OP has openly posted he intends to keep said contraband; he's a big boy, he understands the stakes. If the ATF ever needs an easy conviction, he just handed it to them on a silver platter.
JFrank
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Lots of 1911 serial numbers were issued without guns be produced.
JFrank
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Please give us an example of an American firearms company that produced any modern firearm without a serial #
JFrank
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Interesting post, also an interesting position.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Marlin didnt apply serial numbers to any of their rimfires up until 1968. I have 2 examples myself. Indeed, some of the .30 carbine Levermatics accidentally shipped without them as well since the line also made .22 Levermatics. To this day they will apply one for free if you send it back to them.
I had a Winchester M37 breakopen shotgun circa 1949 which did not have one either.
But, to the relevant point, no Colt M1911 could make it out of the factory and past the Army inspector without having the number applied. The Ordnance Dept. was very strict about service weapon serial numbers to the point of assigning number blocks to each manufacturer for guns that werent even built yet.
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JFrank
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^^^very good
I learned something new this morning.
I’ll assume you won’t be turning those into ATF
J
I learned something new this morning.
I’ll assume you won’t be turning those into ATF
J
There was nothing in the original post to indicate the serial number had been removed.
He didn't say anything about a company, American or otherwise. He said a lot of guns have been produced without serial numbers. He is correct.
Remington didn't serial number many of their rim fire rifles either.
JFrank
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He answered the question, y’all don’t need to pile on.
Nothing to see here..
Nothing to see here..
Jack Ryan
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Mossberg, I own 3 of them.
JFrank
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Interesting that we got all these unregistered un documented firearms with no serial #s . That must drive all the liberals crazy as well as tax man
entropy
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Yes, there was; though the original post has since been redacted by the OP, it had good quality pictures of the frame which had a govt. inspector's cartouche, WB, for Waldemar Broberg, indicating it was a Government issued M1911A1, and thus had a serial number at one time. (This has been covered ad nauseum in this thread.) In a court of law, this would be called prima facie evidence. The only viable defense to it would be irrefutable proof that somehow an M1911 frame (at least) had been somehow stamped as inspected by Waldemar Broberg before being serial numbered, and then spirited out of the factory. This defense, if it could be proved to be true, would also in itself be prima facie evidence of possession of stolen Gov.t property. Either way, not something I would want to be a party to. I still advise Clint Howie to divest himself of said frame forthwith,by a means amenable to the ATF.
The progressives, (they are not liberals) yes, probably drives them nuts, and that's great. The tax man, not so much-The only guns that are taxed of themselves are those subject to NFA '34, and while there are undoubtedly some of those out there, the tax revenue lost is tiny.
FlSwampRat
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Very good advice. After all, you frequently get what you pay for.
Me personally? I don't look good in orange.
Jim Watson
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Federal excise tax of 10% on each and every handgun, 11% on each and every rifle or shotgun produced for a good many years.
I am old enough to consider pre-1968 guns "modern" but there are a lot of people who think that is the Dark Age, if not antediluvian.
entropy
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And that happens (or happened, in past tense) whether the gun has a serial number or not; gun shops today sell used guns that were not required to have serial numbers before '68 all the time. I've been on both ends of the transaction. FET only applies to new guns, and is charged to whoever buys them from the factory, IIRC, though of course the consumer ends up paying it in the end. No guns without serial numbers have had an FET applied to them past 1968. NFA guns, serial numbered or not, (and there are some that are not) are taxed each and every sale, at $200 or $5 each, depending on classification.
That is what I meant concerning NFA guns and tax.
What's this "registration" you speak of?
I've got a couple of guns and none of them are registered.
JFrank
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Yeah ‘ google Wa. State gun laws.
You’ll be horrified.
J
You’ll be horrified.
J
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dh1633pm
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When I was in High School I went to visit a friend of the family in Ilion NY. The man was 91 years old. Live just down the street from the Arms where he worked for many years. He put his finger over his lips as to say "shhhh". He then opened an old trunk and proceeded to show me a pistol he had. It was a one off Rolling Block Pistol. Made it himself. A short time after I joined the Air Force some years later he passed, his house doesn't exist anymore. No telling where that one off is today. No serial to be found or other markings. I realize this is different that having a number and removing it. But firearms shouldn't come home in the lunch box either.
Jim Watson
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I had a college classmate who had a neat wooden box containing a full set of Remington-UMC 1911 parts... except the receiver. Grandpa worked at Remington during WWI and pilfered everything else but hadn't been able to sneak out a receiver.
He was interested when I told him about Essex frames, then about $40.
He was interested when I told him about Essex frames, then about $40.
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