The Problem with Shooting For Extreme Accuracy

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no, I only believe in myself. as usual, he did not tell you how to get there. hope he tells the shooters in his classes how to shoot faster with accuracy.

yeah, I know this is for top class shooters, but it can apply to all shooters as an incentive to get to the top class. lots of the right kind of practice can get you there, but you still have to start at the bottom and that means "sight alignment, and "accuracy first" (learning the basics is tedious at best, but you gotta have them to move up).

just nit picking here. he is one of the best, but I don't just put my head down and follow anyone.

stay smooth,

murf

p.s. welcome to the high road.
 
I like his advice, but I do get annoyed when people frame an argument based on counterpoints to absolutes.

For example, he mentioned stuff like "if someone says take ALL the time you need" or saying someone said "give up EVERYTHING for the sake of accuracy".

No one is saying those things. This video is about balancing speed an accuracy. No need to counter argue absurd extremes that no one says.
 
It's always a balance.

The best shooters can put rounds where they go AND go fast.

I try to work on "gas pedal" stuff everytime I go to the range. IMO it's about acceptable sight picture.

If the target is close/large, the acceptable sight picture may be no sight picture at all.

On a longer, more precise target, the sight picture will be very good.
 
Two training sessions... focused on extreme accuracy. Third session focused on speed with acceptable accuracy. Repeat.

The problem I see on the range...is when people say they are "balancing speed with accuracy"...(that's my buddy's excuse...) what I see is "spray and pray".

When a see bullet holes in the ceiling of my indoor range...and bullet holes on the side walls ....and the paper target pepperd with holes with no discernable effort to hit the center... sometimes I have to wander..."what ever happened to the concept of accuracy?"

Yes..of course..I believe in balancing both accuracy and speed.
 
as usual, [Rob Leatham] did not tell you how to get there. hope he tells the shooters in his classes how to shoot faster with accuracy.
This video is about balancing speed an accuracy. No need to counter argue absurd extremes that no one says.
Youtube is littered with numerous Rob Leatham's videos that cover the details of shooting accurate and fast step-by-step. You just need to be a little patient and vigilant in your searches.

We have his training videos chronicled in "Competition" category in several threads like this one where we break down what regional level match shooters do that seems like "Zen" magic to novice/local club match shooters - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-help-me-speed-up.824618/page-4#post-10902226

Here are two of his "how to" videos to teach you to shoot fast at multiple targets





And Jerry Miculek explains how to do fast draw to bang - Oh yes, you CAN shoot fast and accurate.



I know this is for top class shooters, but it can apply to all shooters as an incentive to get to the top class.
I regularly teach/share defensive point shooting and even older/female shooters can be proficient in a couple of range sessions - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-2#post-11175698

I am a proponent of defensive point shooting and when I demonstrate to people being able to hit multiple targets with EYES CLOSED and point shoot fast double taps and head shots, people not familiar with point shooting think I am using some kind of magic until I show them the steps -
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/trigger-control.834737/page-2#post-11244660

BTW, point shooting step-by-steps - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-help-me-speed-up.824618/page-4#post-10902245

So you can do things like these:



 
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As a new shooter I was told, "In an armed confrontation, keep shooting, and keep getting hits."

My thought is that if I am taking rounds, and sacrificing speed for (pinpoint) accuracy, I'm going to lose. If I can't deliver speed and accuracy, I need more range time; but the time to find that out is not in a gunfight.
 
depends what the point is. many moons ago - shooting at distance for accuracy with a pistol was something people took a lot of pride in. doesn't seem practical to me to spend time doing that, but like a lot of things that take great skill - it is more about the art and talent of it than practical application. for self defense, it really isn't that hard to learn to hit center of mass, say a paper plate sized group, at 20 feet shooting quickly, which is more than adequate for skill level for the real world. One can always have more skills, but a basic competency of shooting ability for self defense is easier IMHO to acquire than basic competency of gun safety, which takes longer to learn and greater discipline.
 
You can't shoot accurate AND fast until you can shoot accurate. It's amazing how many shooters want to do this in the wrong order.
I am always amazed when I see people at the range shooting targets where, well, there are a lot of holes in the paper but many of them aren't even inside the silhouette. And who knows how many shots don't even hit the paper. I guess they are just there to let off steam.
 
I thought it was Bill Jordan. He could hit an aspirin firing his revolver from the hip.
Idk if Bill Jordan said it first, but I'm pretty sure he said it.

I think he was featured in the film fast and fancy shooting and he absolutely shoots an aspirin from the hip.

He drops a ping pong ball with his shooting hand, draws, and shots it before it hits the ground.

Perfect example of bring fast and accurate.
 
A slight tangent: I love it* when people offers lots of after-the-fact commentary on how others were shooting at the range. Yes, yes, bullets holes in the roof or table are per se evidence of bad shooting, but if you're critiquing some else's target from a couple of lanes/stations over, you're being foolish. Maybe they're right-handed but working on shooting left-handed. Maybe they're aiming at particular pasters or numbers on the target, not the center X. Maybe they're experimenting to see what they see if they just hammer the trigger fast. YOU DON'T KNOW. Maybe you're a vastly better shooter than them... or maybe they're doing something you don't even understand.

I learned this lesson from my golf-playing days. You might go to the range and be hitting high 8 irons to the 150 flag, feeling smug when the guy next to you is hitting much lower shots to that spot with a 7-iron. Right up until it turns out he was working on knockdown shots for windy conditions, and then proceeds to rain balls on the 150 marker with his pitching wedge and his regular swing.

* I don't love it.
 
A slight tangent: I love it* when people offers lots of after-the-fact commentary on how others were shooting at the range. Yes, yes, bullets holes in the roof or table are per se evidence of bad shooting, but if you're critiquing some else's target from a couple of lanes/stations over, you're being foolish. Maybe they're right-handed but working on shooting left-handed. Maybe they're aiming at particular pasters or numbers on the target, not the center X. Maybe they're experimenting to see what they see if they just hammer the trigger fast. YOU DON'T KNOW. Maybe you're a vastly better shooter than them... or maybe they're doing something you don't even understand.

I learned this lesson from my golf-playing days. You might go to the range and be hitting high 8 irons to the 150 flag, feeling smug when the guy next to you is hitting much lower shots to that spot with a 7-iron. Right up until it turns out he was working on knockdown shots for windy conditions, and then proceeds to rain balls on the 150 marker with his pitching wedge and his regular swing.

* I don't love it.

When it comes to judging the target of an unknown individual a few lanes down, I agree!

But when you see a similar scenario unfold on multiple lanes, on different days, and even different ranges, it doesn't make as much sense to me to assume they're all trying something out; shooting with their non-dominant hand or whatever else. Most people are creatures of habit, so chances are good that what people are doing on the range that day is little different from what they do on most other days. And when you see it often, it's hard to say it's something other than what it most likely is. Such as people grouping low and left.
 
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