Size comparison Hellcat vs P365

I live in Illinois and the gun dealer licensing legislation was a concern to me, as it would have put many LGS' out of business. As it stands the legislation they did push through as a result of this is putting about half of our LGS' out of business. At the time I had a number of SA's and called them to hear their side of the story and received a call back from Stephany Reese. In short, my recommendation to her was to disclose whatever information they had that would back their story. Other than blaming the lobbyist she had no other answer, and SA never released additional information. One of my LGS' is also a manufacturer, was heavily involved in fighting this legislation and was privy to some of the things going on. SA and Rock River Arms were the IFMA and chose to hire a lobbyist with a very questionable background. For them to pretend they didn't know what was going on is not believable. At best they jumped into bed with a sleazy lobbyist, and they can't then be surprised when he continued to act in that manner. At worse they were aware of what was going on and they were ok with throwing us under the bus so they could have their carve outs. They were not under any circumstances the victims they portray themselves as.

In regards to purchasing their guns going forward, I'd rather buy a gun from a company who didn't do what they did but won't compromise my familie's safety to do so. By way of example I bought their XDM 10mm, as it was exactly what I needed in a woods gun. We've had a couple of encounters with bears while hiking (fortunately nothing came of them), and I won't carry a gun that's not the best option for me to make a political statement. I'm pretty well invested in P365's so I don't know that I'll consider the Hellcat, but if that wasn't the case and it was the best option for me as a carry gun I'd buy one.

Fine Figure of a Man said:

The IFMA consisted of four people, a couple from SA, one from RRA and their lobbyist. They sided with anti 2A politicians in an attempted to eliminate competitors. Of course when it came to the surface both denounced the IFMA's actions as if it were some big separate entity that they had no control over and limited knowledge of. I guess it worked to some extent.

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I already know it’s not some big separate entity. Actually if you want to get right down to brass tacks it was basically a one man show with a few others listed as fluff.

We’re they in daily contact working out of the same building? No.

Others should take the time to read up on the controversy as well as it’s definitely interesting, this was politics and business in motion.

What I’m basically saying is that this is its own topic all to its own.

Yes, they were stupid for trusting him and giving him his very own stamp to make decisions with.

Do you really intend on bringing this up each and every time Springfield Armory and Rock River bring out a new model that people are interested in buying? That’s going to get pretty irritating.

Jeb Stuart said:

I would just take a guess, that R&D has contributed much to 1911's and J Frames over the years in quality and performance and not necessarily just more round count. And I would not classify anyone as a Naysayer, simply because they have no interest or desires in a few more rounds than the fast majority of small guns out there. I personally happy for the folks that want to buy or own a gun because it can carry a couple more rounds. That is good. Variety is the spice of life.
But hight capacity is not the main criteria I look for in a firearm in fact, there are many. Live and Let Live. And God Bless America for giving us so many choices.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but continuously commenting about how you "have no interest" in something is actually being a "naysayer". How does it contribute to the conversation in any fashion, other than to cast negativity towards it? If there is no interest AND no desire to discern others from having interest, why bother to let everyone know?

And I know, I know, buy the pico, you train 25,000 rounds a month and have 59 mags for every carry gun you own. Trust me I know.

Lol, Yep, own about 12 mags for the Pico and shoot the heck out of it. And that sure messes up your day. And Yep, buy a about a dozen mags for all my guns and in reality, that is not many at all compared to a lot of guys I know.
Don't have 25,000 rds through the Pico. but give me some time. I will get there yet.

I didn't say it wasn't acceptable to have a negative opinion on something. One is entitled to that all they want, but don't expect to be exempt from being portrayed as a "naysayer" when you do, thats all. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

beeenbag said:

I didn't say it wasn't acceptable to have a negative opinion on something. One is entitled to that all they want, but don't expect to be exempt from being portrayed as a "naysayer" when you do, thats all. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Naysayer against what? Surely not not the 365. Praised it many times. Not the gun for me, but I sure stood up and defended the gun when so many were bashing it. And I shot a whole lot of rounds through the gun. Fine, well built gun. I really am so sorry, I am not on the band wagon of higher round count. Certainly nothing wrong with folks that are. I am so sorry my opinion differs from yours. Really, I just do not know what I am going to do. It bothers me that I have hurt you so. Lol. Get over it.

jmr40 said:

I like my 365, but welcome a new competitor. I bought the Sig to fill the role of a small compact IWB carry gun that was roughly the same size as my G43 or Ruger LC9s. It fills that role nicely and holds 10 rounds even with the standard mags vs only 6 or 7 for the other 2. With the 12 round mags the size starts getting a little big for CC IWB, but I shoot it well enough that it has largely replaced my 15 round G19 for OWB carry. And they make 15 round mags for the Sig.

I like the option of having a 1911 style safety and the one on the 365 is well designed. Not an issue with some guys and you don't have to use it if you don't like it and they offer it with or without safety.

If the SA pistol is as good and sells at a better price then it may be a good option for some. But I only paid $450 for my Sig. Considering they come with nite sights I don't think that is bad.

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A Sig P365 with 12 round magazines is getting to large for IWB? Wow! My Commander sized 1911 pistols will be surprised to hear that.

Browning said:

Do you really intend on bringing this up each and every time Springfield Armory and Rock River bring out a new model that people are interested in buying?

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Yes, my Illinois neighbors have enough to deal with already and don't need firearms companies from their own state working against them.

Fine Figure of a Man said:

Yes, my Illinois neighbors have enough to deal with already and don't need firearms companies from their own state working against them.

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Awesome, I look forward to your lack of input on each gun that we're talking about.

Browning said:

Awesome, I look forward to your lack of input on each gun that we're talking about.

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The legislation that SA removed their opposition to in exchange for being exempt from it would have made it difficult, if not impossible for LGS' to survive in Illinois due to the added costs involved. As it is, the legislation that did result from it has put about half the LGS' out of business. I'm wondering if you'd be so cavalier about their actions if they did this in Texas. In regards to others bringing it up, apparently it is necessary as SA appologists such as yourself are repeating their talking points, which are a bunch of spin they put out after they were caught. Finally, I don't use it often but there is an ignore feature on this forum. If someone mentioning SA's actions is not acceptable to you, ignoring their posts may save you some grief.

I have been seeing this for a few days. My opinion is that I would get the Hellcat and not the Sig. Sig Sauer quality has really gone down hill in my experience with owning them over 20 years. So I say I'll get the Hellcat.

Jeb Stuart said:

I think the kicker will be where Springfield appears to have considered larger hands with the placement of the offhand to prevent riding the slide.
Thanks for the Post. I just looked this up last night on handgun hero and they did not have the Springfield yet. Also need to look at both sides of each pistol does the Springfield have a bulky take down lever or more slim lined?

I already like the dimple for placement.

It would be interesting to shoot both side by side.

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Where is the notch in the slide of the Sig where it catches the slide catch ?

I like it, but this won't help us in New york. a 10 round 40s&w would be nice.

TomJ said:

The legislation that SA removed their opposition to in exchange for being exempt from it would have made it difficult, if not impossible for LGS' to survive in Illinois due to the added costs involved. As it is, the legislation that did result from it has put about half the LGS' out of business. I'm wondering if you'd be so cavalier about their actions if they did this in Texas. In regards to others bringing it up, apparently it is necessary as SA appologists such as yourself are repeating their talking points, which are a bunch of spin they put out after they were caught. Finally, I don't use it often but there is an ignore feature on this forum. If someone mentioning SA's actions is not acceptable to you, ignoring their posts may save you some grief.

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Meh. I won’t be discussing it here simply because it’s not the place for it.

I’m not much of an apologist if I own a combined total of one of those two manufacturers out of almost 50 rifles, shotguns and handguns.

Think what you like though. Random internet dude doesn’t like that I disagree with him, I get it.

Want to try and disrupt conversation on a certain manufacturer? Go for it, I’ll simply ignore you in those threads.

tercel89 said:

Where is the notch in the slide of the Sig where it catches the slide catch ?

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On the inside of the slide.

Found some videos on it.

I actually like the slightly taller P365 because I can get a full grip on it. If you cut it short so that it's a deliberately two-finger grip, I don't find that concealment is hugely improved, and quality of life in shooting comfort, accuracy, and draw speed is drastically decreased for me. Actually the P365XL may be ideal for me. Also strongly dislike every variety of trigger safety type I've ever tried - Glock, SA, S&W, didn't matter.

tercel89 said:

I have been seeing this for a few days. My opinion is that I would get the Hellcat and not the Sig. Sig Sauer quality has really gone down hill in my experience with owning them over 20 years. So I say I'll get the Hellcat.

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Yep.

Browning said:

Found some videos on it.

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Another one

Thanks, really looking forward to testing one. Seems to have a lot of nice features. Magazines look like nice quality. I wonder what the cost will be for those?

Come on Walkalong, who you kidding. You know darn well you are going to buy one to try out. I bet you are the first one to get one. Looking forward to your review.

One thing I also like about the Springfield is the top serrations.

Fine Figure of a Man said:

On the inside of the slide.
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On the Sig I don't like how the slide stop notch is embedded into the slide and not completely cut through the slide. I could see that collecting carbon and trash.

tercel89 said:

On the Sig I don't like how the slide stop notch is embedded into the slide and not completely cut through the slide. I could see that collecting carbon and trash.

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I have purposely fired over 1000 rounds and carried for several weeks without cleaning mine and it has not been an issue. The slide not locking back is not what I would consider a serious malfunction anyway.

Had a chance to test the New SAS. Have to say I really like the new sights. Very Bright, Very easy to get on target. Also like the fact that the gun was very sleek looking. Still not a good fit for me personally, but would be for others. We ran 600 rounds of mixed ammo with no problems, Same group of friends that shot the 365 a few months back. I have to really focus with not riding the slide. I wish it had just a little more room because I like the gun. If I have a choice, and it fit, I would like the XL with the same sight and configuration and a safety. Or better yet a DAO.