.22LR pistols for 4H?

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Can anyone tell me about 22 pistols in 4H? I believe there is a more popular practice of air pistols and .22 rifles, but there are some shooting .22 pistol. I'm particularly interested in what works well for smaller children. The minimum age is 12.
 
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I believe there are equipment requirements criteria for State and National competition. I do not know what the criteria are for .22 pistol. For .22 rifle and air pistol, there are limited and unlimited divisions based on MSRP (limited divisions cap MSRP at $600 for .22 rifle and $300 for air pistol). Unlimited have no cap (Anschutz etc.) For smallbore pistol, I've seen three divisions described: bullseye, silhouette, and Camp Perry. I believe there may be an upper weight limit (5 lbs for silhouette) and a minimum trigger pull weight (2 lb).

While there are a lot of cool guns like S&W Model 41's and stainless steel Mark IV Competition models or even S&W 617 revolvers, some of these guns are very large and heavy. I know there are some aluminum-framed guns that are lighter, but whether the grip size and trigger reach are adapted for smaller hands or not, I don't know. There are some distributor-exclusive Bearcats with adjustable sights. Do those fit small hands better than a Single Ten or are they the same? Are aluminum Mark IV Target's better for small hands or 22/45 Lites? How about S&W Model 317 or Model 63 J-frames with adjustable sights? The barrel and sight radius are short, but the J frame grip size is good for small hands. Either can be shot in single-action. There is also an SP101 in 22LR with a 4.2" barrel with adjustable sights.

There are 1911's in 22LR, but I doubt they fit small hands best. There are also Beretta 92s, and some polymer semi-autos like the M&P 22 and SR22. Are any of these well-adapted to small hands?
 
I have an Ruger SR22 and a Walther P22.

My grandkids have zero issues with either one.
 
I didn’t know this was an option in 4H. Will need to look into. Thanks. I would think a nice 22 rifle like a Ruger 10/22 or maybe even better one where you have to work the bolt action would be great along with Mark series pistol or Buckmark, S&W Victory, etc...style 22 would work very well.
 
Our Scout District/council uses the S&W Victory but that is for 16 to 18 Venture scouts or whatever they call them this week

Back when I helped put together the 4H shooting program for Florida in the late 1980's there was no section for pistols or air pistols.

The only county program I had anything to do with insisted on shooting .22 Shorts and telling me it was required. This was news to me, but no point arguing with a county agent and adult volunteer in front of the kids. My club at the time even offered to provide .22LR SV to them free and they turned it down. Some members were upset we let 4H and JROTC have free range days, but how many members were going to be on the range during school hours in a club with membership limited to 150? Of course they also turned down assistance from NRA certified rifle instructors and actual three position competitors because...well, they were guys and those were guns after all....meanwhile the HS JROTC got air rifles gear and pellets from us for nada and had no issue with those of us with actual competitive experience coaching a bit.

I sometimes felt that working 4H at the state level was a bit like following Alice down a Rabbit hole and only did it a couple of years. The hardest part of State Congress was always the adults, both paid and volunteer. The kids were great!

-kBob
 
Personally, I keep a fleet of pistols for teaching, including some varied options for younger shooters, or any shooter with smaller hands.

The Beretta Neos U22 fits smaller hands better than most, and is quite light overall. It’s a little harder to cock/cycle than some models, but it’s generally manageable with some coaching. They do tend to need a little tweaking to run properly, and be mindful - some older production eras were subject to a recall - takes a few weeks, and comes back groovy.

The Mark Series Rugers are always a favorite, but the Mark II/III/IV’s are heavy. The 22/45 Lites are light, of course, but the grip tends to be bulky for small hands. The S&W Victory largely suffers the same. Personally, I spent enough on my 41’s, I have no interest of putting them into the hands of youngsters, when they can deliver the same performance with a Mark IV which cost less than half as much.

The compact combat style pistols like the Sig Mosquito, M&P22, or SR22 typically aren’t as newbie friendly, in terms of gratifying precision, easy trigger control, and friendly sight radius. Qualifying courses of fire which newbies easily clear with a Ruger Mark II can be a challenge with an SR22. Not because the SR22 isn’t accurate, but because it’s much more difficult to convince to be accurate.

Many of these companies offer substantial discounts to clubs and instructors, so I highly recommend exploring those avenues as you stock up on loaner pistols.
 
I'm not a leader anymore but I stay in touch with the current leader for our County 4-H. The kids' families supply their own guns; Buckmarks, S&W 22A's and Rugers are the most popular. I learned on a Ruger MkI and a Colt Frontier Scout.
 
My daughter started shooting my Buckmark and Mark 1 at 7 or 8. Both are 5.5” heavy barrel versions and she could only shoot for 15 minutes or so before she was tired of holding them. At 10 she could shoot longer but grew tired of reloading the magazines. She’s 11 now though and has no problem going through a 500 count brick with me.

She’s shot a Ruger SR22 and didn’t care for the trigger pull. She’s handled an M&P 22 compact, and while she liked it better than the Ruger she still prefers the nicer triggers of the Mark series and Buckmark. Out of everything she’s handled her face lit up when she was holding a Mark 3 Lite. For 4h and 12 years +, I’d stick with Ruger Mark series, Browning Buckmark, S&W Victory, or possibly the Beretta Neos. For the price I don’t think you can do much better in the price point those are in.
 
At that age (12 years old), my kids were shooting my Beretta Model 70S and Ruger Mk.II. Both worked fine in their smaller size hands. Later I let them pick out their own .22s: a Walther P22 and a Beretta Neos.
 
I started my oldest grandson out with my Ruger MK1 Target .22 at about 12 yo. You should see him shoot my .45 acp now he's 22. We went threw Hunters Safety together . he puts grandpa to shame. hdbiker
 
My 7 year old grandson is about 60 pounds soaking wet. He loves shooting any and all of the different 22s I've handed him. His favorite handgun though.....my 1911 in .45 ACP. Yes it rocks him but that kid giggles after every shot. It's priceless. Oh and he can hit the 8 inch target at 20 yards with it too.
 
The program you are asking about is the 4H shooting sports program. It includes archery, BB gun, air rifle,.22 rifle, .22 pistol, fishing, outdoor lore, and orienteering. I have been a certified instructor for five years for the .22 pistol class. Our club is in Claiborne Parrish Louisana. I am not sure if all requirements are the same for all states. Here the minimum age for .22 pistol is 14. We use NRA guide lines. We shoot a modified Camp Perry round, Slow-Fire Bullseye, and Smallbore Hunter Pistol Silhouette. All events are open to both pistols and revolvers. There is a minimum 2 pound trigger pull. An unmodified production handgun is another requirement. I forgot to mention that shotgun is also offered an has been very popular. Shotgun shooters compete in trap, modified trap, sheet and sporting clays. All of adults involved are volunteers. If you have any more questions you can send me a pm.
 
I have taught dozens of teenagers to shoot handguns. My favorite .22 for beginners is the S&W model 63 revolver with a 4 inch barrel and Pachmayr grips.
 
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