457 WWG???

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Very seriously thinking about turning my 1895 GBL into a 457 WWG.

I would love to hear your opinions on anything related to this project. I recently sold some things and will be in LV in Dec, so now is the time to start planning.

of you don’t know what I’m talking about: https://www.wildwestguns.com/

Thanks for the input THR!

Greg
 
He told me it would be just north of $1k to do all the work, cleaning up the gun, conversion, stock...

My least fav thing about this Remlin is the stock. To get a new lever, clean up the action, new sights, and a ‘magnum’ option, I figure it would be as good as it gets for lever hunting anywhere in the world...

Greg
 
If it were me, I would look for a Winchester 1895 in 405 WCF.

I have one and the more I use it the less use I have for a 45-70. I have sold all of them except a springfield Single Shot Rifle 1873 and a Navy Arms Rolling Block.

Kevin
 
It's your money, do with it as you please. If it is quality work a grand sounds reasonable. It's definitely different and would be a great conversation starter at the range. It would not fill any need for me but I have some guns that probably won't appeal to you. That cartridge definitely sounds like it will do the job.
 
I would experiment with something else that at least for me, would be much cheaper and would achieve similar results.

That is, modifying the ejection port, barrel extension, carrier, and ejector so the gun can fire longer COAL 45-70 rounds. You could also possibly buy another rifle to these modifications to and/or these mods will have to be done to the .457 gun anyway. I’m not sure if the details of the conversion. I believe these kids will allow a COAL of 2.68” 45-70 loads. This can significantly hot rod the round.

This allows you to seat a bullet out further and allows more powder in the case. This is a Mic McPherson conversion from last decade and has provenance.
 
Very seriously thinking about turning my 1895 GBL into a 457 WWG.

I would love to hear your opinions on anything related to this project. I recently sold some things and will be in LV in Dec, so now is the time to start planning.

of you don’t know what I’m talking about: https://www.wildwestguns.com/

Thanks for the input THR!

Greg
You'll get no argument from me if that's what you want. :D

I would experiment with something else that at least for me, would be much cheaper and would achieve similar results.

That is, modifying the ejection port, barrel extension, carrier, and ejector so the gun can fire longer COAL 45-70 rounds. You could also possibly buy another rifle to these modifications to and/or these mods will have to be done to the .457 gun anyway. I’m not sure if the details of the conversion. I believe these kids will allow a COAL of 2.68” 45-70 loads. This can significantly hot rod the round.

This allows you to seat a bullet out further and allows more powder in the case. This is a Mic McPherson conversion from last decade and has provenance.
I've done a similar work around on the .460 Rowland and the .45acp.
While functional and effective, the cost of such a set up is always very close to just going with the factory offering.
One other thing that bothered me was nothing really prevents someone from stuffing one of your heavy loads into something not built to take them.

At least with most of these conversions you can't cram the "magnum" into a factory chamber.

being able to shoot .410s would be kinda cool too, tho I suppose you could probably just make .457/45-70 shot shells.
 
He told me it would be just north of $1k to do all the work, cleaning up the gun, conversion, stock...

My least fav thing about this Remlin is the stock. To get a new lever, clean up the action, new sights, and a ‘magnum’ option, I figure it would be as good as it gets for lever hunting anywhere in the world...

Greg
a grand or so dosent sound horribly over priced to get the modification from a reputable shop, arnt regular action jobs 2-250 on 336s?
 
I've done a similar work around on the .460 Rowland and the .45acp.
While functional and effective, the cost of such a set up is always very close to just going with the factory offering.
One other thing that bothered me was nothing really prevents someone from stuffing one of your heavy loads into something not built to take them.

At least with most of these conversions you can't cram the "magnum" into a factory chamber.

being able to shoot .410s would be kinda cool too, tho I suppose you could probably just make .457/45-70 shot shells.

Fair enough.

I should have answered with what I think the best idea really is. Which is, do t do the modification and just shoot hot 45-70s. BB and equivalent rounds that will not blow an 1895 action sky high while still keeping within the length requirements.

Anything in North America and more.

I’m confident in that my 444 can take anything in NA unmodified.
 
I’d look at what I was really gaining over the 45/70.

Would you really want the added expense across the spectrum?

Would you actually load as it to reach its potential? If not, what’s the point.

The increased energy goes both ways. I can load my 1895 to be quite unpleasant to shoot and I’m not really recoil sensitive.

At the end of the day, it’s your gun. But what if you don’t like it? You’re going to have to find someone wanting the same thing to recoup some of your money. And then what? Go find another 45-70?
 

That was the kind of info I was looking for.

I think what I’ll do is invest in some leverevolution GMX for hunting, then find some big ol bad boy hard cast bullets then load some for when I want to break a friends shoulder.

I’d still like to find someone to clean up this stock. Perhaps I’ll find some time and YouTube U will teach me how to do it and polish up the action a bit. The. I get the knowledge and the satisfaction of having done it myself.

Thanks again THR
Greg
 
Other than bragging rights I can't see anything this will do on critters that a 45/70 wouldn't do. And, if a take down is really needed, or just really wanted, either caliber would work. Makes about as much sense as the 450 Marlin.
 
Wait, can you even have cast bullets where you live? Thought all bullets containing lead were banned in California.
1. I hope not to live here forever.
2. That law is only for hunting (so far).
3. Using full bore hi power was the point in the first place: I’d like something that moves...
4. If I’m going to hunt with a 45-70 it’s going to be something bigger than one of our black tales down here.

Greg
 
H-4198 will be your friend. I’ve used many different powders like H-332, IMR-3031, H-4895, and a few others from Alliant. By far, H-4198 has been the best performer. However, I have not used that powder for GMX bullets. But I would pick up a pound and try it.
 
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