25.06 bullet/resize problem?

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I carefully charged some cleaned ,primed 25.06 brass when I went to seat the Berger 115 VLD hunting bullet the bullet slipped into the case with no resistance!!

Well I thought perhaps I didn't resize the cases, lubed a few up and resized them , same problem the necks are not getting resized!

OK fellas I have been reloading for 43 years for many different calibers never had this problem before!!

What is the problem? for the record it is once fired brass mostly Federal,but a few Win, and RP.

Do expander balls wear out?? I have successfully loaded probable 100+ rounds with these same dies and they shoot very accurately in a custom barreled 1903 Springfield.

Help!!!

Bull
 
bullet are .256 necks are a little bigger, I have used same bullets from same box before with out problems????? Man this has me puzzle???
 
I took the expander rod out of the die and sized the cases--now I have my neck tension back!! Yahoo!!! the dies are RCBS. I have never had to do this before??? All I can see is that the neck expander is out of adjustment?? but I decapped several cases with it this am. I had the the ram kissing the die bottom ?? mystery I suppose.

You fellas have any ideas?

Bull
 
There's no adjustment on an expander ball in a full length sizing die, the decapping stem can either be up to far so the decapping pin isn't removing primers or its down to far and hitting the case web so the press handle isn't traveling fully. Maybe if the decapping stem is down to far the case neck isn't getting sized back down far enough since the case isn't traveling all the way into the neck sizing area?

I suppose one could wear out the expander ball but to wear it out would mean make it smaller so you would get more not less neck tension.

I guess I would reset the expander ball / decapping stem so the decapping pin is just knocking primer out of the brass and see it this fixes your problem.
 
well I re adjusted the decapper rod to barely push out the primer. bullets still lose in neck. took decap pin out of die resized case fully neck tension returned??
never had to do this in 3006, 7mm08, 308, 2506, 270????? mystery to me. wish I knew why???
 
I've never seen this and I load for 15 rifle calibers, especially since you said you have loaded bullets from this same box.

There isn't a crud ring on the expander ball is there? Polish the ball maybe?

Any chance that you got some bad bullets in the box?

Next I would start measuring, inside neck diameter after sizing without expander ball, inside neck diameter after sizing with expander ball, bullet diameter of more then a few bullets.
 
The die is resizing the neck but the expander ball is pushing it back out too far. It's possible the the ball is canted due to a bent rod or something, but my solution would be to take out the decapping rod/expanding ball and polish it in a drill with some green scratch pad or some flitz. Not too much, just enough to make it shine.
 
Either:
1) the ball's too big
2) the bullet's too small
3) the neck's too thin (to be sized down by the die).

Eliminate 3 if you can feel the brass dragging over the ball on the way out. Figure 1 and 2 with a caliper.
 
Update I called RCBS they are sending a new expander ball, rod and decap pin. If that doesn't work they want my die to evaluate the problem. the dies are 1975 vintage. Can't beat customer service like that!!!

Bull
 
My question to RCBS was how can an expander ball get larger in the die box?? I have reloaded over 150 rounds with those dies and same 115 g berger bullets in the recent past!!??? Mystery ???

Bull
 
If the decapping rod is bent and the expander is being pulled through at an angle I could see that causing an issue. I've bent a couple RCBS decap rods due to the rod working its way down over time and me being too complacent and not paying attention to what was happening.
 
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