Replacement ammo for my Wal-Mart Federal 9mm

I was in the same boat as that was the same ammo I was buying in bulk from WM.


Luckily I found that Sportsman Guide (which I was already a member of) has various name brands of 115 9mm for comparable prices.

Seller & Bellot, Fiocchi and Federal are brands they frequently have at similar pricing. But to get the best price you have to be a member at $40 a year.

I just bought last week 1k rounds of 115 for $168 and being a member its FREE shipping.

GECO 9mm is my favorite, I prefer it to ammo costing much more, but fortunately it's $175/thousand delivered. Clean, accurate, reliable, and brass. High quality ammo at a plenty fair price. https://www.sgammo.com/product/geco...5-grain-fmj-brass-case-ammo-geco-made-hungary
Also available in 124 grain.
I'm not a fan of S&B 9-mm because it shoots very dirty (lots of what appears to be unburned powder flecks) compared to GECO or Speer Lawman.

I also like the GECO 45 ACP.

An added advantage IMO (but not related to the quality of the ammo) is that they package in compact trays, not the large trays that a lot of companies use. The small tray results in a much smaller box of 50.

gunsrfun1 said:

I'm looking for a replacement ammo for my WM 9mm "Champion 115 gr FMJ RN" brass-cased ammo that I can't get any longer at WM, for obvious reasons. (And let's not get into a discussion of that in this thread.)
The ballistics are 1125 fps and 323 ft-lbs. at the muzzle.
However ... I did come across a Federal "Ultra Target & Range" from some online suppliers that has the same specs at the muzzle.
So, I am thinking it's the same thing..
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Why not just call Federal and ask?
Customer service: 1 (800) 379-1732

Try this..... https://brickseek.com. Enter the UPC code 029465063238 in the search box...then enter your zip code.
There's hundreds of boxes available at the Walmarts in my immediate area @ $16.97 YMMV

Charlie Horse said:

It looks like a good news\bad news situation. The good news is it IS out there. The bad news is that more often than not they want to sell it in bulk of 500\1000 rounds and its out of stock in a lot of places.

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/1559-federal-champion-9mm-115-grain-fmj.html
https://www.luckygunner.com/9mm-115-grain-fmj-fn-federal-champion-1000-rounds
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fed...15-grain-full-metal-jacket-wm5199-p-3154.aspx
https://www.bulkammo.com/100-rounds-of-9mm-ammo-by-federal-champion-brass-115gr-fmj

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Wonder if it's discontinued? The only Federal Champion I see on AmmoSeek is aluminum cased.

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger/Federal-handgun-115grains-?ikw=Champion

Outlaw75 said:

Wonder if it's discontinued? The only Federal Champion I see on AmmoSeek is aluminum cased.

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger/Federal-handgun-115grains-?ikw=Champion

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I hate it when that happens. My wife can tell you ALL about my Quixotic quest for an ORIGINAL Quicker Clicker mechanical pencil.

It looks like we have 3 options here
1. call customer service at the number Labguy47 listd above
2. e-mail customer service at this link
3. Find a substitute load, perhaps something roughly equivalent.

If you get an answer from Federal I'm very interested. If you go for #3, I'd curious what you settle on.

When I first saw this, I thought you were looking for 9mm Federal Rimmed ammo. "Who still uses that?" I asked myself.

We all like S&B 115 grain FMJs around here. You can get them in thousand round lots (20-50 round boxes) online. Many times you can get free shipping.

For all those people who say handloading doesn't save you money, I have to ask what math you are using.
Projectile--.06
Primer--.03
Powder --maybe .03
Brass--04 the first time, re-use a million times (or pick up free brass at your range).
So .16rd first time, .12/rd thereafter.

Twelve cents a round is what I have been budgeting for a variety of different handgun rounds for a number of years, and while it has it's momentary ups and downs, it seems to return to that mean long-term.
$6.00/box of 50 is pretty close to half price of anybody's 9mm, and much better than anybody's .38 or .45..

What bullets are you getting for .06? Most of mine are typically double that. which right now means I can buy factory like Speer lawman for that price without the hassle of reloading

Jonesy814 said:

Check another Wal-Mart. There is plenty here and they have restocked. They say they are selling it until warehouses and supply chain are gone and honoring contracts. They may have 6 months left on a contract with Federal or Winchester, who knows.. I heard, 2nd hand, say take it for what it's worth that along with shotgun & hunting rifle ammo, they will still carry 357 & 44 magnum because they sell lever action rifles in those calibers. I would assume they will continue with 22 since its 22 Long Rifle ammunition

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I was told by an employee they are still honoring the contracts and still receiving ammo from suppliers not just clearing their warehouses. Anybody's guess how long it will last but I'm stocking up on Federal Champion 9, UMC 9, and UMC mega pack 38spl(27 cents a round)

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fed...115-grain-fmj-value-pack-wm51991-p-59064.aspx

Isn't this the exact stuff you're looking for?

^^^^^^ Sure is!

Ammoseek.com is the most straightforward method. It's a search engine for 90 sites fpr ammo and guns. Also, each week I go to gunbroker.com on sundays, and tag my favorite brands (Geco 115 or 124gr whitebox 9mm and Remington military surplus in the ammo can) as watched items. Velocity Ammo Sales is the best ammo vendor there for 5.56 and 9mm. Then I snipe the good deals throughout the week. I buy bulk, so if nothing is a great deal at auction, I don't run out of ammo that week. Targetsports.com is a great site, but they have been out of Geco for awhile. It is my #1 favorite, as it shoots very clean, accurate and is cheap @ 16 cents including shipping. BTW, I tested 9 brands including Federal, CCI, Winchester, Remington etc. in my 9mm pistol carbine, and Geco was hands down the best at 25 and 50 yds +.

I just google searched the part number "wm51991" and it tossed out a couple vendors, including target sports USA as a top pick.

Federal Black Pack at Academy
250 Rounds for $44.98
1148 fps

I buy a whole lot of 9mm ammo through Target Sports. I mean a lot. Different Brands, weights etc. Lately have been buy a lot of Wolf and Tula. My Nano and Kahr love it. And at $6.43 it is fine for range work and functions perfectly.
In fact just came from the range and shot 150 rds of it and 150 rds of American eagle. Wolf did just fine.

orionengnr said:

For all those people who say handloading doesn't save you money, I have to ask what math you are using.
Projectile--.06
Primer--.03
Powder --maybe .03
Brass--04 the first time, re-use a million times (or pick up free brass at your range).
So .16rd first time, .12/rd thereafter.

Twelve cents a round is what I have been budgeting for a variety of different handgun rounds for a number of years, and while it has it's momentary ups and downs, it seems to return to that mean long-term.
$6.00/box of 50 is pretty close to half price of anybody's 9mm, and much better than anybody's .38 or .45..

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You are also not accounting for time. I personally do not "love" to reload. I view it like work. Similar to mowing the lawn which I do myself. So for me not to have to sit and pull the handle for 2 hours to build my weeks worth of ammo has a $$$ figure attached to it. For me if I can buy 9mm in the $.12-$.16 range I save my components and buy factory ammo. When the price of factory rises I go back to reloading. For me these days 9mm cost me $.11 and 45 ACP cost me $.16 to reload. The primary difference it the cost of the projectile a little bit more powder. My leisure time has a value.

Also the biggest myth about relaoding is that it save you money. I call BS on that everytime I see people post it. You don't save money you get to shoot more. Everyone I know who shoots regualarly has a budget they spend on shooting. If you reload you get to shoot more rounds within that budget. Lets say you shoot 300 rounds a month. If you buy it at $.16 cents around that is $48 if you reload it for $.11 that is $33 for the same 300 rounds. No one pockets that $15 savings they just shoot 450 rounds vs 300. LOL

I6turbo said:

GECO 9mm is my favorite, I prefer it to ammo costing much more, but fortunately it's $175/thousand delivered. Clean, accurate, reliable, and brass. High quality ammo at a plenty fair price. https://www.sgammo.com/product/geco...5-grain-fmj-brass-case-ammo-geco-made-hungary
Also available in 124 grain.
I'm not a fan of S&B 9-mm because it shoots very dirty (lots of what appears to be unburned powder flecks) compared to GECO or Speer Lawman.

I also like the GECO 45 ACP.

An added advantage IMO (but not related to the quality of the ammo) is that they package in compact trays, not the large trays that a lot of companies use. The small tray results in a much smaller box of 50.

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Geco is very good ammo IMHO. The 124gr is accurate and consistent. You can often find it in the $150-$160 range for a case of 1000. The 115gr is not bad either. In fact their 45 ACP, 380 Auto and 32 ACP are all good and very affordable.

In some ways I wonder if clean ammo is by chance instead of design. IE the primers and powders they get that are suitable for use in that cartridge and are economical just happen to be clean.

Aguila .380 is one of the cleanest rounds I've seen in .380.

S&B .45 is one of the cleanest rounds I've seen in .45 ACP. So clean the primer pockets are in better shape untouched than many cases are after you clean them.
50 Rounds of .45 FAE produces more residue than 500 rounds of S&B.

Yet people will tell you both brands are "dirty".

Both Walmarts in my area still carry 9mm and other handgun ammo. Our local Academy often has Federal 9mm ammo at excellent prices.

94045 said:

In some ways I wonder if clean ammo is by chance instead of design. IE the primers and powders they get that are suitable for use in that cartridge and are economical just happen to be clean.

Aguila .380 is one of the cleanest rounds I've seen in .380.

S&B .45 is one of the cleanest rounds I've seen in .45 ACP. So clean the primer pockets are in better shape untouched than many cases are after you clean them.
50 Rounds of .45 FAE produces more residue than 500 rounds of S&B.

Yet people will tell you both brands are "dirty".

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I wouldn't be able to say that the S&B "brand" of ammo is dirty, but as noted, I was talking about the 9-mm. Which, frankly, could have changed by now, 2 or 3 years later. To be clear, here's what I'm talking about.

A CZ and a BHP after firing a few rounds of S&B. You can see the powder flecks (or whatever they are) remaining in the action (the picture of the BHP isn't very clear, but the flecks are there, and you can see them very clearly in the CZ action).



Here are the same guns after firing some Perfecta (a Fiocchi brand and good ammo, IME). The Perfecta was fired after the S&B with no cleaning between firings. It looks like the powder flecks (or whatever they were) were blasted out of the area that's visible in the action.

Geco is my favorite 9mm, and the most accurate in my PCC, out of the 9 brands I tried, under $180 per 1000. 4k rounds later, clean shooting, and not one fail to feed or fire in any of my guns. They got it right.

I6turbo said:

I wouldn't be able to say that the S&B "brand" of ammo is dirty, but as noted, I was talking about the 9-mm. Which, frankly, could have changed by now, 2 or 3 years later. To be clear, here's what I'm talking about.

A CZ and a BHP after firing a few rounds of S&B. You can see the powder flecks (or whatever they are) remaining in the action (the picture of the BHP isn't very clear, but the flecks are there, and you can see them very clearly in the CZ action).

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Those flecks are color tags to tell investigators which lot of ammo they are looking for and to trace its linage. Its microscopic tagging, which they have been doing for years.

Had no idea, interesting.