Got introduced to the Winchester model 1885 Winder musket 22 training rifle

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Went to a nice little auction in the country and found a Winder Musket, It is really a Model 1885 Winchester. Around 1904 Col Winder wanted to produce a training rifle for the Army. He wanted a small bore rifle that had the weight of a full size military arm. So he got Winchester to take the model 1885 and to chamber it in 22 Long Rifle.

They made almost 13,000 before they stopped production in 1923. They were made in both High wall & Low wall models chambered in 22 LR and 22 short. The Government paid about 20 dollars each for these and then surplused them to Boy scouts and NRA shooting clubs for about 1.25 in the 20s & 30s.

The cool thing abouts this rifle is it reeks quality. Its heavy duty and looks like you could use it as a pry bar. When you drop the block to load the shell it drops the trigger and block together and when you bring the block up the hammer is cocked and ready to fire. A real nice feature that many trainers and boys guns of later years do not have. Also it ejects the spent shell nicely another feature that alot of military trainers and Boys guns come short of.

The Enfield trainers may be the best because it deposes the spent case nicely in the empty hollow magazine shell. (I Say old chap, very civilized of you)

This one was made in 1916, It is a low wall, chambered in 22 short. And it does have the the "US" and flaming cannon ball acceptance stamp on the Tang.

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I was watching one on a local auction earlier this year. All said and done I believe it went in the $ 800 range. No I do not own it.
 
OK, let me phrase that another way. At the end of the day, did you get to bring it home?

Yes, I brought it home, The wild thing its not one of the guns I went to get. Infact I only started looking for one of these just a few days before.

A couple of things in my favor, the auctioneer did not label this the best.. But to be fair to them this rifle has one hell of alot names and descriptors in its title..
Also this came up during the A.S.S portion of the auction (Auction Sweet Spot) . This is the part of the Auction when the sexier items have sold at high price. Many have gone home to lick their wounds and complain about the high prices. Attentions are starting to wane.

So timing wise this just worked out for me.

On the fun side this is one of my quicker searched for guns.. I started looking 5 days before getting this.. ha ha now that is a record for me. I still have guns
on the list I have been searching for after 10 years.
 
wow what a neat gun never knew such a thing existed! so if I my ask how much did that set you back?
Well, it went higher than I wanted, but this has everything I wanted, Wanted a low wall version and one marked with the Military acceptance stamp.

that being said it went for 700, and there was no Buyers premium at this auction. So it was more an emotional purchase then I would like. Saw a couple on gun broker going for 700-800 but there is shipping and all plus the quality was a little less. Again just started looking so do not really know what the basement price is..
 
Some where I have an old Riverside Military School (Gainesville , GA) Annual from the early part of the 1900's that has pictures of the boys firing these at an indoor range or enclosed shooting house.

This is the only gun I ever saw at an antique show at the local mall and I played with it enough the owner threatened to charge me rent! It was also a short and my bud talked me out of it for that. Got to watch your buddies messing up your deals!

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Some where I have an old Riverside Military School (Gainesville , GA) Annual from the early part of the 1900's that has pictures of the boys firing these at an indoor range or enclosed shooting house.

This is the only gun I ever saw at an antique show at the local mall and I played with it enough the owner threatened to charge me rent! It was also a short and my bud talked me out of it for that. Got to watch your buddies messing up your deals!

-kBob

Well you got me going with your story.. wanted to find a photo, this one is from 1925, Girls rifle class.. Looks like 2 or 3 are Winders,,

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Well, it went higher than I wanted, but this has everything I wanted, Wanted a low wall version and one marked with the Military acceptance stamp.

that being said it went for 700, and there was no Buyers premium at this auction. So it was more an emotional purchase then I would like. Saw a couple on gun broker going for 700-800 but there is shipping and all plus the quality was a little less. Again just started looking so do not really know what the basement price is..
thanks for sharing it looks like you gotta nice rifle and I find its very cool to look at plus I wished I was closer I would loved to got to shoot it :)
 
thanks for sharing it looks like you gotta nice rifle and I find its very cool to look at plus I wished I was closer I would loved to got to shoot it :)

Well I tell you what.. I am going to be out in the Tulsa OK area for the great Tulsa gun show. November 9th. If you can think of a place out there to try it out I am game and I will bring it... My only charge will be you bring out one of your cool guns for me to shoot and I will swap you some shots...

Will drive to shoot cool things.. Hell that's a lie, was just trying to sound big... I'll drive to shoot mediocre things to... Pretty much a gun slut... :(
 
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