New powder from Hodgdon!

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Another powder du jour!.

I believe the term is elastic marketing, creating differences, primarily insignificant differences , to expand the market. It used to be that Gen-Z yellow was the color that everyone was talking about, but for Spring 2020 it is now, Flame Scarlet. Empty out your wardrobes, take all those old colors to the Thrift Store.

Also, take all your old powders, they are not good anymore. All those X's and Ten's you shot, they were so 1999. Soon we will have gun powders for days divisible by two (even days), odd days, prime number years. Based on the number of prime number years left this century, that marketing device won't be used (2027, 2029, 2039, 2053, 2063, 2069, 2081, 2083, 2087,2089,2099) But, there could be powders for months that start with vowels, months that start with consonants.

Without pressure curve data, you can't quantify the difference between this powder and another, other than by the blaring label and the claims in full page ads. How many decades where we told that H110 was different from W296?

Run, run down to the local gun store and buy, buy, buy!
 
Varminterror said:
Argh... now ya got me counting... Mobile platform doesn’t display the post numbers!
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Sorry about that, this thread:

Varminterror said:
The powder isn’t just for 6.5 Creedmoor. I actually hadn’t heard the “6.5” suffix until the official release announcement, but the name had been leaked around at least a month prior. A great number of cartridges have shared “ideal powders” with the 6.5 creed, and this one is no different. Interestingly, to me, Winchester included the 270win on the product page - not sure why they’d call that out.

Precision Rifle Competition is a unique beast - we shoot a LOT of rounds, so a reliable-metering ball powder would be great. But we also need extremely consistent ammunition, with dependable pressure and velocity for the long ranges we’re shooting - something ball powders are known to suck at. So this is different than what’s out there, with distinct advantages for the precision rifle shooter.

Does this powder change the world? Eh, not really. But when an entire sport is shot with 2-3 powders, H4350, Varget, and RL16, having another option, especially a powder-drop friendly ball powder with great temperature stability, is great for the sport.
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Charlie98 said:
:rofl:...as the firearms industry continues to swoon over the 6.5CM... delivering anything and everything with the hopes they will be asked to the dance.
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It’s not so different than when we, as a rifle-culture, started seeing value in 7mm’s 20 years ago. 7’s were out there for a long time, but when the 7 RUM came out and guys started canyon shooting elk, everything 7mm took a huge boost. The excuse then was “modern bullet technology is letting us do today with a 7mm that which used to only be possible with a 30cal.” The 7-08 saw a boon, 280, 7Rem, even the largely defunct 7x57.

Now, we’re sitting on another step, and hearing the same statement, “modern bullet technology is letting us do today with a 6.5mm that which used to only be possible with a 7mm.”

Admittedly, I have never understood why anyone feels the need to denigrate new products for being new.
 
Walkalong said:
Personally, I would be happy if powder makers would go back to plain numbers for powder names.
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As long as the numbers are sequential in terms of burn rate, that's fine by me, too. (Good job, VV and AA.) The IMR numbers just make me angry every time I look at a burn rate chart.

Or a truly descriptive name. Autocomp is a good descriptive name - it's mainly for Auto-loading cartridges being used to feed a gun with a Compensator. Great, fine. What the heck is BE-86 supposed to mean, though? Is it a version of bullseye made in 1986?
 
ATLDave said:
The IMR numbers just make me angry every time I look at a burn rate chart.
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This is what came to mind when you first mentioned you preferred numerical themes - ‘cuz the gibberish which are Hodgdon/IMR powders, with names mixed in between for rifle powders makes me cringe.

I don’t mind names for powders, hard to screw up remembering “I’m about out of Bullseye, better order some.” Pretty easy to screw up, “was I needing of 4831 or 4895?” It’s been kind of nice having my inventory MS Excel book accessible on my phone now to help keep track of things, literally in hand.
 
Is it a version of bullseye made in 1986?
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Yes it is, the same as BE-84 is a version of the Bullseye recipe from 1984, Power pistol. With power pistol BE-84 was their code name for it until it hit the market, then they put a another meaningless name on it. I have to admit though, most everyone knows what Power Pistol is.
 
Varminterror said:
Admittedly, I have never understood why anyone feels the need to denigrate new products for being new.
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You are sort of missing the point... or maybe not. I'm not denigrating the 6.5CM... I load for it (for a friend) and it's a hoot to shoot... like a little laser beam, but it's nothing new under the sun, much as you pointed out about the 7mm's. I am thinking more about the manufacturers and the gun rags going bonkers over it... largely because they can sell lots of stuff, including powder. Even Springfield rolled over and chambered the M1a in 6.5CM...
 
Charlie98 said:
You are sort of missing the point... or maybe not.
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Decidedly not.

No part of me has ever cared if a new product was “something new under the sun.” If the difference is advantageous to my application, then I get better in my application for using it, and if that offers a relative return on the investment, I’ll buy it. If the difference isn’t important for my use, then nobody holds a gun to my head to force me to change.
 
CKweigand said:
Darn it. This won’t work for my 6.5 Swede. Everybody has love for the creed, but they forget about the Swede. Oh well. Maybe next time. :)
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Did you call Hodgdon regarding this? I’d be willing to bet it would do quite well in a modern action x55. Might not be suitable for low pressure, SAAMI compliant loads, but for the rest of us with high pressure Swedes, it should do very well.
 
Stew0576 said:
If you turn your phone sideways it will give you more information
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Not to side track, but that tidbit is very helpful. Thanks.
As far as 6.5 staball, I'm not really interested at the moment.
I shoot much less than you competition shooters. Most of my cartridges are using IMR4064 and faster. Or H1000.
When I get down to less than 10 rifle powders in my stable, I might take the bait.
 
Walkalong said:
Personally, I would be happy if powder makers would go back to plain numbers for powder names.
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They are doing it for welding rods a little bit too. Mostly the industrial suppliers. One of my vendors always is trying to push welding consumables on me. I keep telling him if they don’t have some kind of AWS number equivalent on the label then I don’t want it.
 
Varminterror said:
Did you call Hodgdon regarding this? I’d be willing to bet it would do quite well in a modern action x55. Might not be suitable for low pressure, SAAMI compliant loads, but for the rest of us with high pressure Swedes, it should do very well.
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VTerror, sorry I was being sarcastic. I thought it would do very well myself as well.
 
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