ID on the 1800’s sword?

Browning · Oct 27, 2019

So a friend found a sword, a bunch of rifles and a bayonet while cleaning her house up.

I know what the rifles are, but I know next to nothing about swords. Found a bit about the M.C. Lilley Company stamp on the hilt.

https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/672fj-civil-war-sword-case-sheath-made-m-c-lilley-co.html

Still don’t know if this is a military sword or a presentation sword of some kind.

ShootAgain · Oct 27, 2019

The maker is: M. C. Lilley & Co., Established 1865

It appears that they made a variety of swords for:

Uniforms and costumes ; Royal Arch Masons , Knights Templar , United Boy's Brigade of America , Junior Order United American Mechanics , Knights of Malta , and Odd Fellows (I.O.O.F) costumes , supplies , and paraphernalia ; military clothing , accessories , insignia , and uniforms ; military sabers and saddles ; circa World War I military uniforms ; band uniforms

https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/SILNMAHTL_26819

Hope this helps.

Browning · Oct 27, 2019

It did in a round about way, the additional information led to another search which led me to the belief that it’s an M1902 Officers Sword.

hso · Oct 27, 2019

Browning said:
led me to the belief that it’s an M1902 Officers Sword

I think that's correct. If you look at the other 1902 swords out there it is a good match. It also closely matches my father's that I have.

It should have "U.S." etched on the other side.

Zaydok Allen · Oct 27, 2019

Wish I’d find stuff like that when I clean.

Obturation · Oct 27, 2019

460Shooter said:
Wish I’d find stuff like that when I clean.

You gotta clean other peoples house, no telling what you'll find

Browning · Oct 27, 2019

hso said:
I think that's correct. If you look at the other 1902 swords out there it is a good match. It also closely matches my father's that I have.

It should have "U.S." etched on the other side.

Yeah, it does.

Browning · Oct 27, 2019

460Shooter said:
Wish I’d find stuff like that when I clean.

Obturation said:
You gotta clean other peoples house, no telling what you'll find

Her house was built in 1900 and 5 generations of family lived there.

Even besides the guns, swords and bayonet she’s found all kinds of weird stuff. Also some stuff from WWI and WWII. Looks like each one of her relatives brought something back.

Here’s the bayonet for a Trapdoor Springfield .50. Her sister apparently was going to throw it away cause she thought it was a spike for a sprinkler to water your lawn.

hso · Oct 27, 2019

Browning said:
Yeah, it does.

Nice example of the M1902.

.455_Hunter · Oct 27, 2019

Yes- Just like my Grandfather's from WWI.

KevininPa · Oct 31, 2019

All I found in mine when I bought it was an Ontario pilot's survival knife. Ended up trading it for a Boker Navy knife that my FIL had. Used to belong to my wife's grandfather from when he was a "frogman" in the Navy. My FIL was willing to trade because I served in the Navy.

Slamfire · Oct 31, 2019

Browning said:
So a friend found a sword, a bunch of rifles and a bayonet while cleaning her house up.

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I know what the rifles are, but I know next to nothing about swords. Found a bit about the M.C. Lilley Company stamp on the hilt.

https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/672fj-civil-war-sword-case-sheath-made-m-c-lilley-co.html

Still don’t know if this is a military sword or a presentation sword of some kind.

If the blade length is 29 1/2" then for a US sword, it is strictly ceremonial though I have one example of a German Infantry sword from WW1 with a 29.5 inch blade. From web references there were 32 and 34 inch 1902 blades, and those would have been combat swords, though I wonder who had a 34 inch blade on a Infantry sword. Must have been on long legged dude. The typical 19th Infantry combat sword blade was 32 inches long

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