If you feel the need to confront a trespasser on your property do it from behind cover

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The thread was about Missouri?? But whatever, even if it is "legal" and within the homeowners "rights" Was it a wise thing to do?? Say he did actually shoot and kill the person.. What a nightmare to have to go through all that legal stuff over an attempted break in of a vehicle.:scrutiny:

I think I would just turn the outside lights on, push the panic button on my car key FOB and call the Police all in the safety of my house.
 
Rule3 said:
The thread was about Missouri??
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Imperial, MO is in Jefferson county, the county immediately south of St. Louis City & county. Imperial is about 40 miles south of downtown St. Louis. The police officer giving the particulars stated that they believe these perps were part of 2 or 3 organized gangs from north St. Louis, the area where the majority of the low income people reside with its associated high rate of crime. Now they are spreading out.
 
Well he just about guaranteed they will print the car after he opened fire on the homeowner. Ordinarily they wouldn’t dust for prints on a vehicle burglary.
 
A Delta Airlines mechanic living very close to Woodward Academy (just n.w. of ATL Airport) was killed in front of his home. Staying four-six nights per month in hotels there, I heard this story several years ago.

He heard somebody messing with, or breaking into the car by his house. The homeowner apparently completely exposed himself. That was the end.
There was no info on whether the homeowner was armed, but if he had been, he apparently didn't see that the criminal had a handgun--and knew how to use it.
 
Actually (relative to the OP), he may not have fired at the homeowner. He may have fired those 3 shots in the air in order to create an opportunity to disengage & extend.

Not that that would matter in the case ... just a thought. ;)
 
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Some years ago, an airline mechanic in Texas heard someone outside fiddling with his trailer. He asked a visitor to call 911, and he went outside with a shotgun.

He was ambushed, stabbed, disarmed, and shot with his own shotgun.

He survived, but he lost his arm--and his livelihood.
 
This is the best advise you will ever get:

Rule3 said:
think I would just turn the outside lights on, push the panic button on my car key FOB and call the Police all in the safety of my house
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There is a message in this thread. Don't leave valuable stuff inside a vehicle that is parked outside the garage. In this development a vehicle was recently broken into and the owners concealed carry gun was stolen. Now some thieving low life has a handgun.

There is nothing inside my truck that is worth stealing. i absolutely will not confront someone messing with my vehicle at night.

BTW: You never know who you are confronting. Years ago i confronted a chronic trespasser on my rural property. To make a long story short; i disarmed the guy at gunpoint and called 911. The perp had wants for murder in Texas.

Live and learn, that could have turned out badly for me.
 
alsaqr said:
There is a message in this thread. Don't leave valuable stuff inside a vehicle that is parked outside the garage. In this development a vehicle was recently broken into and the owners concealed carry gun was stolen. Now some thieving low life has a handgun.
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The garage isn't really any harder to break into than a car. Just sayin'....

I guess I just don't get the catering to criminals. I should put everything in a vault cause some scumbag might steal it. Naw, my property, my truck, my tools. If you can't keep your greedy hands out my stuff I will discipline you.

alsaqr said:
There is nothing inside my truck that is worth stealing. i absolutely will not confront someone messing with my vehicle at night.
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Heck, my TRUCK itself is worth stealing and it is my lifeline for income. Burglary at night in Texas can be used to justify deadly force. My place is pitch black at night and I'm in a one bedroom cabin. The sheriff is 30 minutes away. I'll be using a dog and an AK. My truck isn't going anywhere. If I know he's at the car that's my opportunity. It's everywhere else on the acreage he could get the jump on me.
 
Can't over-emphasize the value of security lights. I have 4 auto-floodlights on the back of my house that pretty much cover all the property that I worry about. And they're far cheaper to run, now that I've replaced them with LEDs. Only stray animals are a nuisance problem for them. But, it seems even they don't like bright lights shone in their faces, and do not come back for weeks after I see them once. Likely they move to areas where they are not so inconvenienced. Everybody up here is used to the darkness and likes it. Nobody, though, seems to complain about automatic security lights, according to police. Just the bright ones that are on all the time.
 
alsaqr said:
BTW: You never know who you are confronting. Years ago i confronted a chronic trespasser on my rural property. To make a long story short; i disarmed the guy at gunpoint and called 911. The perp had wants for murder in Texas.

Live and learn, that could have turned out badly for me.
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You never know who you're dealing with.

I was walking the fence at work one afternoon when I ran into a Black guy on a bike with dreads, wearing a Jets jersey and black knee length shorts heading west on a bicycle right outside the fence. Customer service being a prime component of my job I said hello. The guy came unglued. He jumped of the bike, he wanted to know why I was addressing him and he let me know that he didn't need me in his business. I apologized and told him I was just saying hello and have a nice day and walked away.

When I got back to the front gate my supervisor was locking the gate and she told me that we were on lock down because the ENT Federal Credit Union had been robbed and the robber was suspected to still be in the area. She described him as a young black guy with dreads, a green and white shirts and black shorts last seen heading West away from the bank.

True story. I had know idea who I was dealing with and "possibly armed bank robber" wasn't even a blip on the radar.
 
fireside44 said:
I guess I just don't get the catering to criminals.
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Catering? What's that about?

We do find that many persons who might be charged with crimes are not, because the court dockets are full, and prosecuting them would not nave a high priority.

fireside44 said:
Naw, my property, my truck, my tools.
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What property do you have that is worth risking your life, you fortune, your clean record, and your personal freedom?

fireside44 said:
Burglary at night in Texas can be used to justify deadly force.
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The incident occurred in Missouri, and the video showed no clear evidence of burglary.

Had it occurred in Texas, the first person the defender would have called after calling law enforcement would be an attorney, and if things went perfectly, the fees would have exceeded the value of a truck.

fireside44 said:
Heck, my TRUCK itself is worth stealing and it is my lifeline for income.
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Is it not insured?
 
How does anybody inside a house / under the deck of a boat (I can give two examples) presume that they can blunder through a door or hatch, and somehow have the advantage against what are often Professional Criminals (already behind cover if they choose), who do Not want to return to prison?

A pro. bicycle racer made the same fatal mistake when he heard steps up on the boat deck, parked overnight in the Caribbean. The young macho man, with a gun in his hand went up the steps but was already in their sights....
I met a boat owner in person at Bass Pro who survived the robbery-possibly- because he complied with local laws which do not allow firearms.
 
The original video looks like a typical residential subdivision. How does seeing someone trying to get into your car parked in your driveway, translate into immediate life threatening situation for your wife and kid, if they are not in the car? The homeowner said he feared for his family safety. I get that you don’t know the full intent of the criminal, but do criminals who intend to kick in your front door start by breaking into your car?
 
Zendude said:
The original video looks like a typical residential subdivision. How does seeing someone trying to get into your car parked in your driveway, translate into immediate life threatening situation for your wife and kid, if they are not in the car? The homeowner said he feared for his family safety. I get that you don’t know the full intent of the criminal, but do criminals who intend to kick in your front door start by breaking into your car?
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That is my thought as well.
He was afraid for his wife and family so he grabbed his gun to go out to confront the guy trying to open his car door.
He then said he didn't expect to get shot at.
Which one was it?
If he didn't expect to get shot at, why did he fear for his life and his family's life?
He would have been in bad legal shape if he just opened fire at the guy.
 
IMO, one's perspective varies by where on lives.

We live in a forest and the nearest neighbor is about 3/4 of a mile. So I'd view someone wandering around a night very differently than many. After all, I can't see a good reason for them to be here at night.
OTOH, during the day, we've had hog hunters searching for their dogs walk out of the woods with a holstered pistol on their hip. As personally. I wouldn't wander around the woods here without a firearm; we view them differently than if we lived in a city..

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I have pictures of Pitts, Blackmouth Curs, hounds and more; no, I don't shoot them or at them.

IMO, one's reaction is also dependent on where one lives.
 
Kleanbore said:
Catering? What's that about?
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Catering to criminals=I must lock up my guns/home/car/etc because someone or something besides myself might access them. Forget about the thief, it's my fault he/she steals stuff.

Kleanbore said:
What property do you have that is worth risking your life, you fortune, your clean record, and your personal freedom?
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Define "risking my life". Risk is everywhere, a part of life. I could be killed driving to the gas station, maybe I shouldn't go. It's about mitigating risks. Put your seat belt on. Buy a five point harness and crash helmet if a shoulder belt isn't low enough risk. Sell your car and walk if that isn't low enough risk for you. If I have the jump on the crimmie, less risk. If I hold tactical advantage and firepower, less risk. You advocate walking away from my livelihood while it is stolen because of risk. Some people won't fight for anything, they are called cowards. Others will fight over anything, they are called criminals.

Kleanbore said:
Had it occurred in Texas, the first person the defender would have called after calling law enforcement would be an attorney, and if things went perfectly, the fees would have exceeded the value of a truck
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Hearsay.

Kleanbore said:
Is it not insured?
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No.
 
The way each of us views matters and responds is based on which state we live in. Some states have the Castle Doctrine and stand your ground and others don't. Some have magazine capacities, no NFA of any kind, etc. Those states are not states where I'd want to reside.
 
Jeff White started this thread a couple of weeks ago and related how a man with a gun, having acted rather foolishly, exposed himself to gunfire but was lucky enough to not be harmed.

In prior years, have discussed persons who have acted similarly in the past and were not so fortunate--shot, shot and stabbed, charged, convicted and imprisoned.....

This one has not only run its course, it has drifted.
 
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