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I do not think you can buy anything today for the same price they were 10-20 years ago.

Back in the ‘80’s you could get them for less than they are worth now. One used for all those years would still be worth double what it cost new.



The same cannot be said for say a Ford F-150 Lariat, back then they cost $14,000 new and are not worth half that and a new one is over $40,000...gas isn’t any cheaper either.

That said, if Dillon sold trucks, the value wouldn’t fall out of them as they would be repaired for free forever, not just your lifetime.

I agree that prices are not what they were years ago. However Dillon prices have seemed to run up faster than the others. I have Dillon presses and equipment and wouldn't change but they are getting frequent price increases lately.

They gotta pay for that neat Blue Press book they give away somehow! Still like every other consumer product if they weren't still selling at that price it would drop until it did. See AR15 for an example of a price correction.

Inflation dudes. Your Government deliberately follows a policy to debase the currency. This reduces Government debt, since they don't index social programs to the real rate of inflation, it allows the Government to walk away from its social obligations, and forces you to go out and spend because over time, your savings turn into dust.

For example, this 1908 pistol for $5.48 would cost $148 in today's money. Not too bad, but think of it, one dollar in 1908 had the purchasing power of $27 dollars in today's money.



Technology has sure dropped the prices of technology, I remember when the selling point on a radio was the number of transistors it had



Thirty nine dollars and 50 cents seems like a bargain for a M98. But adjusted for inflation that is a $411 dollar rifle. Not so cheap now, eh?



This is a off topic, but once our currency became separated from anything of real value, like Gold or Silver, you are now seeing that people act as though crypto currencies have value and are buying and selling using the things. This is causing Governments concern as they realize they have competition in the funny money market.

FROGO207 said:

They gotta pay for that neat Blue Press book they give away somehow! Still like every other consumer product if they weren't still selling at that price it would drop until it did. See AR15 for an example of a price correction.

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A despite popular belief, Lifetime Warranties do cost money (usually at the front end) But of course it is never understood why Dillon warranty is so good and folks claim that CS is great. Why would they ever need service??

I paid $30,000 for a new pickup 14 years ago. Still drive it.

Now, I'm looking at $40,000-$50,000 if I want a new one. Prices go up. Though I actually think guns have been one of the lagging products.

Prices don't go down.
Don't believe me, wait 12 more years and check again.

Rule3 said:

A despite popular belief, Lifetime Warranties do cost money (usually at the front end) But of course it is never understood why Dillon warranty is so good and folks claim that CS is great. Why would they ever need service??

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A rock was inside of one of my 45 ACP cases. I don't know how it got or how it stayed in the case, but that rock bent the decapping spindle of a Dillion 45 ACP carbide die. When I called to order one, Dillion sent me one for free!, even after I told the Customer Service representative how I broke it, and that it was my fault, not theirs. I have had other misfortunes, but Dillion's no BS warranty is the real thing.

I have been called elitist on this web site because I use a Dillion progressive. I have had mine since the middle 1980's and have been very happy with my Dillion 550B ever since then.

I paid $30,000 for a new pickup 14 years ago. Still drive it.

Now, I'm looking at $40,000-$50,000 if I want a new one. Prices go up. Though I actually think guns have been one of the lagging products.

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When trucks cost more than first houses, something is out of whack in this economy. Modern vehicles have gotten complex without adding real functionality. And trucks have gotten big. Vehicles have grown, not because they need this height navigating paved streets, but because drivers want to dominate the traffic around them. They are so tall that Ford had a pull out ladder in the tail gate, now they have a complicated folding "step tail gate" A bud, his monster truck, the running board automatically retracts when you close the cab door. His truck is so high off the ground that it has an automatic running board that extends when the door is opened, so you can climb out, or step in the cab, without taking a jump in or out. That sort of complexity, added simply so that drivers may dominate/bully other drivers, adds cost.

My old 1972 Chevy, you could stand next to the bed and place a tool box in the center of the bed. Those were work trucks, not Dinosaur ego vehicles.

I think the cost of postage stamps might be the best indicator of inflation over time. In simplistic terms, basically you have a government agency providing the same fee-based process at a minimal price. Whereas the military's scope has evolved from land-based, to include fighting on the sea, then in the air, and now to outer space, the Post Office is still basically delivering the same 1/2oz envelope to the same addresses.

The Post Office admits that prices are out of control because when you buy a first class stamp, it doesn't have a price shown on its face.

I'll start to believe the government is really concerned about inflation when our money instead of saying "$5" on the face, says "5 Forever Units", meaning whatever $5 used to buy in 1970 this bill will still buy today !!

Oh, and BTW... the SDB is a really nice press.

Modern vehicles have gotten complex without adding real functionality.

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Been at SEMA this week, they are no longer made to be functional for work. They are made to look and feel as big as possible while having tailgates lightweight enough a soccer mom can lower it and climb up into the bed (with the built in tailgate steps that make it overly complicated and fragile) without breaking a manicured finger nail.

A 40 year old (or more) truck is a lot closer to the model T as far as electronics go and that simplicity will greatly help its longevity. I would compare a current model, with all of the body control modules, PCM, ECM, network based systems to something closer to the TRS-80, they will be all but useless in 40 years. Then again the manufacturers would prefer that to be closer to 10 years...

Slamfire said:

Inflation dudes. Your Government deliberately follows a policy to debase the currency. This reduces Government debt, since they don't index social programs to the real rate of inflation, it allows the Government to walk away from its social obligations, and forces you to go out and spend because over time, your savings turn into dust.

For example, this 1908 pistol for $5.48 would cost $148 in today's money. Not too bad, but think of it, one dollar in 1908 had the purchasing power of $27 dollars in today's money.

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Technology has sure dropped the prices of technology, I remember when the selling point on a radio was the number of transistors it had

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Thirty nine dollars and 50 cents seems like a bargain for a M98. But adjusted for inflation that is a $411 dollar rifle. Not so cheap now, eh?

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This is a off topic, but once our currency became separated from anything of real value, like Gold or Silver, you are now seeing that people act as though crypto currencies have value and are buying and selling using the things. This is causing Governments concern as they realize they have competition in the funny money market.

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I love looking at the old ads...we don't have that experience in today's electronic age.

Rule3 said:

A despite popular belief, Lifetime Warranties do cost money (usually at the front end) But of course it is never understood why Dillon warranty is so good and folks claim that CS is great. Why would they ever need service??

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Cause they are mechanical devices. I wore mine out, Dillon completely rebuilt on their dime. I paid shipping to them.

I used to work for Tandy and sell Trash 80's. It is a good thing that reloading equipment is basically computer free. Otherwise it would be as bad as cell phones. YMMV

I started reloading in 2016. I purchased a SDB for $398. Not very long after that I decided to upgrade to a 550B. I traded the SDB in on the 550. Six months after that I noticed my LGS still had my SDB. I ended buying it back and still had $19 under MSRP in it.

I bought the one on the right in 94 and the left one in 2010 so I guess I'm a snob also. I didn't want the hassle of changing out primer parts so I just bought another machine.

Bill

I didn't want the hassle of changing out primer parts so I just bought another machine.

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Some machines are worse than others I have pairs of SD’s and 650’s for that reason, the 650 is even worse, having 4 reduces the need to always be swapping things around though. The 550 is the only Dillon I only have one of but it’s the easiest progressive to convert I have ever used.

Arkansas Paul said:

Prices don't go down.
Don't believe me, wait 12 more years and check again.

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Adjusted for inflation, most gun, ammo, gas and similar items are actually cheaper today; plus wages have gone up as well.

According to these folks http://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1985?amount=1 $1 in 1985 is $2.39 today.

$135 in 1985 vs $437 in 2019 would be closer to 1:3.23

I do agree that not everything goes up though. Electronics go down quite a bit over time. These were $100 in 1973.



My bank gave me one awhile back for free, that is powered by ambient light and has memory and square root functions as well.