Varget Availability?

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This happens in cycles.

Moral of the story, if you are an avid and frequent shooter, always keep a THREE-YEAR supply of powder, primer and bullets.

I take it one step further. I keep a three-year supply of the primary powder I use (which happens to be Varget) and I keep a three-year supply of a second-choice that I like equally well (which happens to be TAC). There is nothing magical about Varget or TAC. There are lots of other powders equally-good, and equally-useful, for my needs. I settled on Varget and TAC because they are produced on opposite sides of the world. I figure if there is some local factor affecting the availability of one, that factor is likely not going to be in play with the other. Of course, there is always this "shortage-and-hoarding" thing happening in the U.S. Well, that's why I keep a three-year supply. I figure if six years goes by, and I still can't get gunpowder, there are likely bigger things for me to be concerned about than shortage of reloading supplies.

I understand there is the cost issue. Three-years supply of bullets/powder/primers costs some significant money. If you are starting with ZERO, you may need to work toward a suitable supply as funds allow. I've been accumulating this stuff since I was 9 years old. Fair to say, I'm caught-up on inventory.

Some folks can't stand the idea of having old powders or old bullets - I suppose on the notion that something really-better will come along, and they'll be stuck with powder and bullets that "aren't as good." That just hasn't been my experience. The manufacturers want you to buy the newest-greatest copper-fouling-remover-temperature-insensitive-supremely-consistent product. I've avoided that way of thinking, and my competition scores have not suffered.

I believe some folks fear that primers and powder will "go bad." Properly-manufactured powder, stored in a temperature-stable environment will maintain full integrity for a very long time. Moreover, if you ROTATE your stock, none of it should be very old anyhow by the time you use it.

Can't find any Varget? Time to select your alternate powder. And stock up.
About $3500 for a three year supply for me. People stashing and hoarding is a problem in my prospective
 
My usage = .223 bolt gun. 100 yd. bench, 55 - 77 gr. (8 twist) YMMV

I've been watching the availability of Varget for several months now. No Joy.

Also reminds me of the last time I was 'watching availability'

I decided it was time to try out some RL15.

Nothing loaded yet, but certainly looking forward to it! :thumbup:
 
I quit using Varget about 2 years after it hit the shelves. Everyone raved about it and sung its praises to high heaven. Well, I am a natural born skeptic and tried it anyway. Yup. Good stuff. Right up there with RL15 & IMR4064. Only time either of those were in short supply was during the Obama banick when EVERYTHING was in short supply. I have since discovered IMR4166 is nearly as good as my pet 4064 loads, but I haven't had the opportunity to tweak them yet. If they do tweak as well, I just may have to invest in a 8# jug of the stuff!
The only reason I venture beyond 4064, 4350, 4895 and 4831 is just to play with something different.

I keep an 8 pounder of each and buy experimental/play powders in 1 lb bottles. Because I refill 1lb bottles with the same label as the 8" jugs (for ease of handling), when it looks like the next refill will be the last of the 8 pounder that will go into the 1 pounder, I buy another 8. It's a system that has worked well for the last 25 years or so.

YMMV
 
While I don’t pretend to be in compliance, residences are not supposed/allowed to house greater than 50lbs of powder. I might have more than 50lbs of three types of powder each - H110, Varget, and H4350 - at any given time, and that’s not even a 3 year supply of Varget or H4350.

Buy what you’ll burn, and don’t buy more than you can really use within a responsible timeline, just because you heard some counter jockey say there’s a supply issue. If you’re stocking up for Armageddon, dollar-cost average that inventory and don’t empty shelves for anyone else.
 
Ive seen Varget several times the past couple of days. I cant find H-335 for some reason. :shrug:
 
Why is Varget so scarce?? I just came from the Tulsa Gun Show and have searched websites...Powder Valley, Midsouth Shooters, Natchez, etc. and no one has Varget. Anyone out there know why??
One local retailer said a nation wide shortage with no further explanation but I know 2 other places that never seem to run out?
 
I’m not sure about other fellas but this is why I need more Varget
 

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People stashing and hoarding is a problem in my prospective
Can you define "stashing and hoarding"?

To me, building a stash during times of good availability and reasonable prices is something any reasoning shooter should do. We all know that ammunition/component availability is highly volatile.

"Hoarding" on the other hand makes me think of the same guys showing up at Wal Mart every delivery day @ 06:00 to buy all available .22 LR ammo.
 
Personally I wouldn’t buy more components than I need to burn out a barrel.
stashers and hoarders might have to defend that for themselves, I damn sure know I’m not one.
 
Personally I wouldn’t buy more components than I need to burn out a barrel.
stashers and hoarders might have to defend that for themselves, I damn sure know I’m not one.
That's pretty obvious since you apparently blame those that purchased powder years ago for your current situation.

It's almost like a new age retelling of the old "Ant and the Grasshopper" fable where the ant is somehow at fault for the grasshopper starving because she saved up food for the winter while the grasshopper played around.

95%+ of my shooting these days is with mild cast bullet loads, if I tried to store up enough powder and primers to wear out even a quarter of the barrels I've got, I'd have to build a warehouse in my backyard to store 'em.
 
I switched to RE15 the last time Varget went MIA and have found no convincing reason to switch back. Just bought another jug this week in fact. I was always able to find RE15 during that time, and the anti-copper fouling additive is a nice bonus that they don't really advertise and it works! Meters better for me as well. I still couldn't resist buying 8# of Varget when it came back though, just haven't cracked it open yet. Both are great powders IMO
 
That's pretty obvious since you apparently blame those that purchased powder years ago for your current situation.

It's almost like a new age retelling of the old "Ant and the Grasshopper" fable where the ant is somehow at fault for the grasshopper starving because she saved up food for the winter while the grasshopper played around.

95%+ of my shooting these days is with mild cast bullet loads, if I tried to store up enough powder and primers to wear out even a quarter of the barrels I've got, I'd have to build a warehouse in my backyard to store 'em.
You seem to be looking for an argument whereas I’m looking to buy 4 -5 lbs of powder that isn’t available for WHAT Ever reason.

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J
 
I started reloading about 3-4 yrs ago. (Tail end of the last great shortage)

I've accumulated a substantial amount* of Components since then.

*Not a 'Y2K Bunker / Attack of the Zombies / TEOTWAWKI '' amount, but enough to keep me reloading something or another for a year,,,,,,,,,, or more. :)
 
Thanks to you guys, my search for Varget has led to numerous options. We reloaders often unintentionally accumulate lots of powder in our trial and error journey to find the perfect load. I'll be buying 3 new powders to try. At one time in the past I had access to a really great deal. A friend of a friend was a powder wholesaler who would occasionally have a few 8# jugs of powder that he needed to get rid of and I was able to buy them at a huge discount. I was sharing my wealth with others to help them out and to avoid possessing more than is legally permitted. I was always careful to avoid that. It also came in handy for my brother and I in our quest to rid western Kansas of prairie dogs. We shot and reloaded lots of ammo in those days. Now I'm back to the old-fashioned search for affordable components.
 
It's on the shelves here $30 a pound.
I don't think many people reload around here anymore.
Many shops stopped carrying reloading supplies for lack of sales.
 
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