Impulse Purchase: thumbs up or down?

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I have no reason. I have no need. I'm suddenly intrigued by a rifle that I (somewhat to my surprise) know nothing about, chambered in a cartridge that I have absolutely no experience of. Intended use? Wet or snowy days when I don't want to take a synthetic stocked 30-06 of almost exactly the same dimensions out, for no apparent reason...

Winchester XPR in 325WSM

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I will give it a thumbs down in general.

However, I do understand the appeal. There are so few 8mms out there these days and the short Magnum concept is intriguing if not necessary.

If you can find some ammo and brass and quality bullets I think you should be able to have good fun with it and it can take anything on the continent.
 
if you wanted it and paid for it, why not? if your predilection alters move it along …
 
Impulse purchase..... BTDT. No experience with 325 WSM but I've heard it can be formed from 300 WSM brass. If that's true you should be all set for many years. I've had a 300 WSM since 2004 and I like it. You deserve a nice gift, right?
 
I’m with nighlord. The whole WSM fad was a solution in search of a problem. I too see limited to no availability of factory ammo in the relatively near future. The niche is pretty small unless you’re handloading for it. Thumbs down, I’m afraid.

I was told the same thing with the reloading when I bought my Super Star 9mm Largo. Ignored it, and glad I did. Its a sweet shooting pistol, with some really neat mechanics on it. Have to reload, but its not a really big deal.
 
Aww hell. The WSM guns did okay, as did the WSSM guns, but the WSSMs all died a quick death. If you like it and want it then buy it. Stock up on brass, loaded ammo, and any other brass that you can form to 325wsm and enjoy it until you run out of brass, shoot it out, or blow it up hotrodding it (ouch). Once you have had your fun with it you can rebarrel or rechamber. I don’t see any inherent problems.
 
Can a reciever made to feed a WSM cartridge be rebarreled for a .308-based cartridge? If I were considering buying a WSM-chambered rifle... and while I'm not considering it, I have wondered because I've seen one for sale... the answer would probably determine my purchase.

Stick with the .30-06 and smile while you're doing it.

Yeah. I don't think, in reality, a .325WSM will do anything a .30-06 won't do.
 
Cooler heads are having their effect. Hmmmmmm.

Leaving the 325wsm aside, what are the views on the xpr? It seems a cut above the Compass, Axis etc.?
 
Having prototyped a WSM for production.... I am amazed that madness is still around. Those shoulders are absurd.

Ironically, I mostly see WSM cartridges in NOT significantly shorter actions.

As far as the XPR itself... With all the failed roll-outs by American manufacturers the past many years, I'd want more feedback from long term owners before I bought in.

Conceptually, I dig it.


Todd.
 
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XPR is another one of those rifles i want to try....again its really hard to get a BAD rifle these days. The XPR seems like a decent/better budget rifle, Id happily buy one on a sale, much like I did the Mauser M-18 i got a while back. OR id buy one because it came in a cartridge i was interested in....

The .325 WSM is getting to the bullet weight that i think the case capacity makes sense for. Im considering buying one of the brownings i see on sale cheaply just because its in a cartridge no one wants.

If cases become un available, well theres always the 6.5PRC a barrel swap away...then again if I get an Abolt 2 i can swap bolt heads and mags and go to any short action cartridge i want........

Any way, If its interesting and it dosent hurt financially why not?
 
If you really like and want the gun, go ahead and purchase it. Remember, the only one who has to be happy over this deal is YOU. The only advice I would give, is if you do purchase the weapon, be sure to stock up on brass, (assuming you are a reloader), and plenty of factory ammunition. That way if, (or when), these short, fat wonders ever become hard to find ammo for, you will have it. Having factory ammo also helps if you decide to ever sell it. Not everyone who like guns reloads.
 
Personally I was never a fan of the WSM, WSSM, RSAUM cartridges. Budget rifles are exactly that. For people on a tighter budget. But they do tend to be great shooters. However, while they do offer possibilities for tinkerers, and home smiths, I don’t personally want one. And the last sentence in Bill460’s post is a very good point that I think gets lost sometimes on us that do reload.
 
the last firearm that I needed I bought in 1953, I had a shotgun-.22 rifle and needed a deer rifle and bought a sporterized 7 mm mauser. the hundreds that came later were all WANT, need never entered into it. life is short, a hundred years from now know will know or give a crap, I,m in the buy what you want camp.
 
Can a reciever made to feed a WSM cartridge be rebarreled for a .308-based cartridge?

No, at least not easily. The cartridges are fatter than most and require a different bolt face.

The whole WSM fad was a solution in search of a problem.

The 300 WSM was an excellent idea, never understood by most shooters. And that was on Winchester for not marketing the cartridge correctly. It was developed as a wildcat cartridge by Rick Jamison who named it the 300 Jamison who he had the idea patented. He approached Winchester and tried to sell them the rights to the cartridge. Winchester declined, but copied the idea anyway. Jamison sued and won. As part of the settlement Winchester, or anyone else who made rifles for the cartridge had to pay Jamison a royalty on both rifles and ammo for a certain number of years. I don't think they have to pay the royalties any longer.

I think Winchester was required to produce the rifles, but they sold them at a premium, as well as the ammo to cover the money they had to pay Jamison. The royalty issue kept other manufacturers from making 300 WSM cartridges or rifles which really hurt sales. Remington and Ruger developed their own versions to avoid the royalty but neither were nearly as good as the 300 WSM.

All of that helped keep buyers away.

But the biggest problem is that Winchester never understood Jamisons concept. The cartridge design burns considerably less powder in a more efficient design than 300 WM, yet only comes up about 50 fps slower at the muzzle with 180 gr or lighter bullets. That translates into recoil closer to 30-06 with performance much closer to 300 WM. The cartridge was meant to be used in smaller, lighter more compact mountain rifles for guys that hunted in rugged terrain at long range who wanted 300 WM performance with reduced recoil.

But Winchester marketed the 300WSM as just another 300 magnum and didn't build rifles designed to work with the cartridge. Most shooters saw the WSM was 50 fps slower than 300 WM and never bothered. But the cartridge has loyal following among guys who are putting together lightweight custom mountain rigs. It is also proving to be more accurate than any other 30 caliber cartridge. Hornady uses a 300 WSM test barrel when testing all of their 30 caliber bullets for accuracy and the 300WSM has beaten all of the long distance shooting records once held by 300 WM.

Comparing 300 WSM to 325 WSM. There are simply no good 8mm bullets to choose from. You can load a 300 WSM with the exact same bullet weights and they leave the muzzle within 25-50 fps of each other. On paper the 325 looks slightly better at the muzzle. But the 30 caliber bullets have much better SD and BC which means that within 100 yards the 300 is moving faster and with the better SD will easily out penetrate the 325.

Honestly the 300 WSM and the 7mm WSM were the only 2 that ever made sense. And used correctly both are excellent cartridges. Unfortunately the 7mm version is dead as is the 325. The 300 and 270 will survive and the 300 has a loyal following.
 
Cooler heads are having their effect. Hmmmmmm.

Leaving the 325wsm aside, what are the views on the xpr? It seems a cut above the Compass, Axis etc.?

Everything is a cut above the Axis except when it come to accuracy. Got one, can't make myself love it, but it is very accurate.
 
the last firearm that I needed I bought in 1953, I had a shotgun-.22 rifle and needed a deer rifle and bought a sporterized 7 mm mauser. the hundreds that came later were all WANT, need never entered into it. life is short, a hundred years from now know will know or give a crap, I,m in the buy what you want camp.

^^Wisdom ^^

Resale? Talking about resale value like we're running a firearms business......please...….

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The 325 WSM Kimber Montana I have will shoot 1/2 " groups with 160 gr. TTX Barnes bullets. It fits me well and has taken a big 7x7 elk and a nice fallow deer.
 
While there's much to debate about the WSM, it does have one advantage--it's not a WSSM.

As impulse buys go, a person could do worse. As oddball calibers go, it's not one where you'd be forced to scrounge gun shows to find more (to find a wider selection, then, perhaps).
 
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