New production firearms in Vietnam. Will they be imported?

DocRock said:

As long as there are no sanctions, and there are none that I'm aware of, the firearms you mention should be subject to legal importation.

I am not interested in purchasing firearms from Communist Vietnam.

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Same with ChiCom for me.

I, somewhat hypocritically, have a couple ChiCom items but in my defense, they came in bulk-buys from estate sales to get the items I really wanted.

Todd.

Slamfire said:

That is not a simple question to answer, and in fact, I don't know the answer.

Take a look at the regulatory system that has evolved around the import and export of "munitions" It is not straight forward, has multiple agencies involved. The State Department is in control of the import and export of Munitions. The list is the Munitions List and it is hundreds of pages. Even then the BATF is involved.

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The goofy 213 *tokarev* that I have, was a successful ChiCom maneuver to import an otherwise banned item. They put on *target* grips and added that poxy, backwards safety. It's one of the guns I love to hate in the safe.

Todd.

ApacheCoTodd said:

The goofy 213 *tokarev* that I have, was a successful ChiCom maneuver to import an otherwise banned item. They put on *target* grips and added that poxy, backwards safety. It's one of the guns I love to hate in the safe.

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I have had one before. Reliable with the exception of that darn "safety" on the side, and the bad tendency of kicking empty brass into my face.

Go into off topic politics at your own risk.

If they were to make a good $250 SKS, I think they would sell well. The SKS is 50-state legal. And they are great rifles. An ultralight 5.56 SKS with a peep sight would be the bee's knees. Or bees' knees.

For me, if they could make a 3 shot 410 Enfield, I would be interested.

People Will buy all kinds of things that you might think wiuld never sell and some things you might think would sell just dont. Depends on all kinds of factors. The most important being marketing. Look at how fast cmp sold a bunch of wornout old military 1911s.

There are some really neat firearms being imported from turkey with nice price points that dont seem to sell all that well. Its a crap shoot as to what will and what wonr sell.

I personally think good, low cost copies of surplus military firearms that are no longer readily available on the surplus market would have a shot at being siccessful commercially.

MosinT53Hunter said:

For me, if they could make a 3 shot 410 Enfield, I would be interested.

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A pal has a .410 British *fouling piece* Enfield. It is a truly wonderful firearm.


Todd.

roscoe said:

If they were to make a good $250 SKS, I think they would sell well. The SKS is 50-state legal. And they are great rifles. An ultralight 5.56 SKS with a peep sight would be the bee's knees. Or bees' knees.

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It's an interesting potential market once you think about it. Regardless my issues with Communism in general and those we may have been in conflict with and may yet be, I should think taking the Communism out of the equation and overlaying WWII Axis nations would be a good template.

Imagine if - once true surplus had run out or been outlawed - we were able to buy German, Italian, etc... produced firearms true to the conflict's parameters.

To be able to amass a *collection* of opposing firearms *at a cost* well below current collectors numbers would be intriguing.

Though not directly applicable, I think of the Walther/S&W collaboration to build a legal Walther PP to side-step importation bans on authentic versions. Or, My own previously noted Norinco 213 to dodge Tokarev bans.

Note, NOT a political post but one highlighting the value of allowing market drive to actually *capitalize* on the past politics. Yup - I know - the irony there is hilarious.

I don't feel that owning OpFor firearms is in any way an homage to the source nor a diminishment of sacrifices paid in a conflict. Were that the case, we'd have to apply the same to Lugers, Mausers, Carcanos and the like.


Todd.

ilbob said:

People Will buy all kinds of things that you might think wiuld never sell and some things you might think would sell just dont. Depends on all kinds of factors. The most important being marketing. Look at how fast cmp sold a bunch of wornout old military 1911s.

There are some really neat firearms being imported from turkey with nice price points that dont seem to sell all that well. Its a crap shoot as to what will and what wonr sell.

I personally think good, low cost copies of surplus military firearms that are no longer readily available on the surplus market would have a shot at being siccessful commercially.

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I finally got my CMP 1911 last month. Colt slide with Remington-Rand frame. It decent shape for an old 1911. Good shooter with some historical value to me.

An Enfield in 308 that was inexpensive and a good shooter would be interesting. It would need to be better than the Ishapore Enfields from India a few years back. Those were front heavy and not very good. I think I have one stashed away somewhere still.

For now, I'll settle for the Ishapore that I have on lay-away... .

Looks like that enfield mag is a M14 mag.

MechAg94 said:

An Enfield in 308 that was inexpensive and a good shooter would be interesting. It would need to be better than the Ishapore Enfields from India a few years back. Those were front heavy and not very good. I think I have one stashed away somewhere still.

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That was my thought EXACTLY. Must be a modern *rimless* cartridge and most particularly .308 and must SIGNIFICANTLY outclass the average Ishapore gun. Excelllent examples that the minority of owners may possess, not withstanding.
However, if it does not externally represent a previous British offering almost exactly, I really don't see the point.

Todd.

Robbins290 said:

Looks like that enfield mag is a M14 mag.

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That's unfortunate for guys looking at a potential shooter-version of a place holder in a collection of Enfields.
Where did you see pictures of it?


Todd.

First page of this post. Look close at the mag. Its not a enfield mag. and since its 308, i bet its a m14 mag, as it looks just like them

Definitely not a reproduction,
Interesting, though... .
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1160033.jpg

Depending on the price tag, i would take one of each. I would use that enfield as beater hunting rifle. Specially since it is in 308

Robbins290 said:

First page of this post. Look close at the mag. Its not a enfield mag. and since its 308, i bet its a m14 mag, as it looks just like them

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Thanks, that apparently didn't open the first time I read it. Looks like an M14 knock off mag.

Todd.

I would be a Mak, just to have and shoot.

Personally; I doubt they’ll get imported, but I would love to have a new made mak.

As a military cartridge collector, nothing would make me happier than to find some Viet 7.62 Tokarev and 9mm Mak ammo. Oh, and some 7.62x39 too....please!

ilbob said:

There are some really neat firearms being imported from turkey with nice price points that dont seem to sell all that well. Its a crap shoot as to what will and what wonr sell.

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I always wondered about some of those Turkish guns. Some look really interesting (EAA has a Turkish M9 close that looks good) but I always see posts bashing Turkish guns

To be honest, the more i look at that enfield. the more i want it. for deer hunting.

New production 380 Mak might be interesting. Alternative to a Bersa Thunder.