CZ 97B Range report: the jury's out on this one and it's not looking good

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I finally got a 97B and took it to the range this morning. I had left the other magazine at home and had only one to work with. The gun had been field stripped and lubed the night before. shot paper at 10 yrs and 25 yrds and then my 8 inch gong at 25 yrds.

I shot 37 rds of winchester white box factory for the first 4 magazines ( well 3 and 7/10ths) and the 230 grain RN hytek coated MBC and 200 gr LSWC.

I am hoping this is a break in issue but I've never had much of a cz break in among my other guns except for the first magazine on a p10c that jammed several times but had no problems after.

Reviewing my footage, I had 2 failure to feeds in the first 2 magazines with RN FMJ factory rounds.

3rd magazine(still factory), the mag wouldn't go in all the way unless I slammed it all the way in. This I later discovered was positional and more prone to happen if the magwell is above horizontal .

with my 230 gr RN reloads i had several rounds where the hammer fell but nothing happened. some of this were likely a not too well seated primer as it would fire on restriking(although this doesn't seem to happen that much with my 1911s and sig220- it may still happen though). The others had me puzzled. It was, I found out later, that the round didn't fully chamber so the slide was slightly out of battery but the hammer would fall with no result. I had a tough time racking out the offending round and on exam there is no primer strike. reinserted into the magazine again it would feed and then fire. In my 4th magazine(reloads) it took me 3:43 to shoot 10 rounds as it happened 2 or 3 times. I hadn't yet discovered that the slide hadn't gone to full battery. when I discovered that for subsequent magazines, pushing the slide with my thumb to make it go into full battery would result in the round firing. surprisingly this never occured with the swc rds but those all went into the case gauge.

i'll shoot a hundred rounds of factory first next time and see what happens. this is disappointing.

on the plus side, the grip was ok. It was accurate enough when working but I think the gun may be shooting high and slightly right at 25 yrds but that may be me.

I did shoot 100 rds of swcs and 200 rds of 230 RN PC and 37 WWB and the slightly out of battery and not firing issue was still happening.



surprisingly this didn't happen with the 200 gr swcs.
 
Thanks for the report andI hope you get it sorted out.

Tyre 97B is on my short list of .45 ACP purchases, but I don't want those kind of problems.
 
roval, I have a 45acp metal frame Witness that I was experiencing the exact same issue with reloads. Factory RN fired just fine, reloads not so much. I struggled for a month trying to get it to shoot reliably intil one of the mods on the CZ Forum suggested I try the Lee FCD. I did that and it magically started to fire like it should. All my reloads I could take them and feed them into my XD Mod2 w/o a hitch but load a mag from that same box into the Witness and 1/2 would fail. Those reloads were with using either 200gr RN Berry's or Xtreme plated bullets.

Hope you get yours sorted out too!
 
I seem to remember reading that this pistol can be pretty ammo sensitive.
 
Have you tried the plunk test with that barrel? I had a similar issue with my Springfield 9mm. Turns out that the bullet shape would sometimes not let it go fully into battery. Eject it and reload into the magazine and it would fire probably because the bullet was pushed slightly into the brass. Turns out I have to load those bullets at a shorter length. They would shoot fine in the 92F but randomly in the Springfield. When I got home, I pulled the barrel and tried some of the rounds I had not shot, and they would not freely drop into the barrel.
 
I finally got a 97B and took it to the range this morning. I had left the other magazine at home and had only one to work with. The gun had been field stripped and lubed the night before. shot paper at 10 yrs and 25 yrds and then my 8 inch gong at 25 yrds.

I shot 37 rds of winchester white box factory for the first 4 magazines ( well 3 and 7/10ths) and the 230 grain RN hytek coated MBC and 200 gr LSWC.

I am hoping this is a break in issue but I've never had much of a cz break in among my other guns except for the first magazine on a p10c that jammed several times but had no problems after.

Reviewing my footage, I had 2 failure to feeds in the first 2 magazines with RN FMJ factory rounds.

3rd magazine(still factory), the mag wouldn't go in all the way unless I slammed it all the way in. This I later discovered was positional and more prone to happen if the magwell is above horizontal .

with my 230 gr RN reloads i had several rounds where the hammer fell but nothing happened. some of this were likely a not too well seated primer as it would fire on restriking(although this doesn't seem to happen that much with my 1911s and sig220- it may still happen though). The others had me puzzled. It was, I found out later, that the round didn't fully chamber so the slide was slightly out of battery but the hammer would fall with no result. I had a tough time racking out the offending round and on exam there is no primer strike. reinserted into the magazine again it would feed and then fire. In my 4th magazine(reloads) it took me 3:43 to shoot 10 rounds as it happened 2 or 3 times. I hadn't yet discovered that the slide hadn't gone to full battery. when I discovered that for subsequent magazines, pushing the slide with my thumb to make it go into full battery would result in the round firing. surprisingly this never occured with the swc rds but those all went into the case gauge.

i'll shoot a hundred rounds of factory first next time and see what happens. this is disappointing.

on the plus side, the grip was ok. It was accurate enough when working but I think the gun may be shooting high and slightly right at 25 yrds but that may be me.

I did shoot 100 rds of swcs and 200 rds of 230 RN PC and 37 WWB and the slightly out of battery and not firing issue was still happening.



surprisingly this didn't happen with the 200 gr swcs.
Thanks for the range report but sorry for the problems. I'm sure you will get it straightened out.
 
May be your OAL dimension is the issue, I would try first 150 factory ammo, clean & oil then the plunk test on you handled (RN) to compare.

CZhen
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Mine won’t cycle swc’s. It’s fine with everything else though. Hopefully you get it werkin good
this one was ok with swcs. but the 230 gr reloads are frustrating. will try factory first and then the reloads.
 
roval, I have a 45acp metal frame Witness that I was experiencing the exact same issue with reloads. Factory RN fired just fine, reloads not so much. I struggled for a month trying to get it to shoot reliably intil one of the mods on the CZ Forum suggested I try the Lee FCD. I did that and it magically started to fire like it should. All my reloads I could take them and feed them into my XD Mod2 w/o a hitch but load a mag from that same box into the Witness and 1/2 would fail. Those reloads were with using either 200gr RN Berry's or Xtreme plated bullets.

Hope you get yours sorted out too!
my 9 mm reloads are never a problem with my czs even if they are in the longer end. the 45 reloads for 230 rn have no problems with a sig 220 and 2 les baers. i will look into the lee fcd.
 
Have you tried the plunk test with that barrel? I had a similar issue with my Springfield 9mm. Turns out that the bullet shape would sometimes not let it go fully into battery. Eject it and reload into the magazine and it would fire probably because the bullet was pushed slightly into the brass. Turns out I have to load those bullets at a shorter length. They would shoot fine in the 92F but randomly in the Springfield. When I got home, I pulled the barrel and tried some of the rounds I had not shot, and they would not freely drop into the barrel.
i knew some of those reloads wouldn't go all the way in my case gauge so i chose one that was one of the worse of the lot and it plunk tested fine. it didnt have to negotiate the feed ramp though. these were 1.270 so i may try shorter but i just loaded 1000 rds a few days ago.
 
I’ve read that if you remove the loaded chamber indicator it at least helps with swc’s. It’s kinda a lightning rod in my opinion anyways.
 
roval I just tonight tried to make up a dummy round with my newly cast 200gr LSWC that has a .452" dia. and after seating this bullet close to the desired length I tried to plunk test it in the barrel of my Witness. Result, it wouldn't even chamber half way. I can see a very slight ridge in the case at the base of the seated bullet and to measure there it is .473"
 
Winchester whitebox is garbage. It’s super dirty. At times I wonder if they sweep the floor of the plant and mix the dirt with the powder. It may not like your reloads after eating the dirt. I would clean and buy better factory ammo. At least get through the first couple hundred rounds to break it in before you freak out about the issues.
 
My CZ 97 wouldn’t feed with more than 6 rounds in the magazine. Any magazine. That was disappointing, as it was a handsome, well-made pistol which should have been a solid performer. I have to say, of the DA .45’s I’ve tried the Sig P220 has been the best all around.
 
roval I just tonight tried to make up a dummy round with my newly cast 200gr LSWC that has a .452" dia. and after seating this bullet close to the desired length I tried to plunk test it in the barrel of my Witness. Result, it wouldn't even chamber half way. I can see a very slight ridge in the case at the base of the seated bullet and to measure there it is .473"

the thing is it had no problems with the 200 gr lswc .452 from MBC coal 1.245. it's the 230 rn pc .452 softball from MBC. who knows maybe it will happen there also.

i will shoot factory, then my reloads that go all the way in my case gauge and see if it does it with the better reloads. if so I'll consign my less than ideal reloads to the sig or 1911s. a friend from work has the same problem with a springfield 1911 and he now separates his glock brass from his other 45 brass. it was also the bottom of the cartridge being wider that was causing it in his guns.
 
My CZ 97 wouldn’t feed with more than 6 rounds in the magazine. Any magazine. That was disappointing, as it was a handsome, well-made pistol which should have been a solid performer. I have to say, of the DA .45’s I’ve tried the Sig P220 has been the best all around.

i liked the shooting feel of the 97b better over my sig 220 and my sig sights irritate me to no end.( shoot the dot BS). I did put talon granulate grip on the 220 last week and the gun had less muzzle flip after. too bad about your pistol . do you still have it?
 
Winchester whitebox is garbage. It’s super dirty. At times I wonder if they sweep the floor of the plant and mix the dirt with the powder. It may not like your reloads after eating the dirt. I would clean and buy better factory ammo. At least get through the first couple hundred rounds to break it in before you freak out about the issues.

maybe i'll get federal . walmart finally has the price back down to $30 per 100. i only have the factory for when some guest wants to go shooting.
 
If the slide is shy going into battery, and is difficult to open, then the bullet is contacting the rifling. The SWC are working where the ball aren't because of the narrower bullet profile.
how short is still safe. in lymans the fmj 230 is 1.275, the 225 gr lead is 1.272, in speer the 230 lead is 1.25( not exactly the same as the grooveless shape) and the the outlier is hornady 230 gr lead and fmj is 1.210
 
Huh, I show FMJ @ 1.230 and Lead RN at 1.245 for 230gr. Of course, what really matters is the bullet profile on those MBC bullets. You many want to compare one of them to a factory FMJ to see how much the bullet profile differs and get an idea for how much it needs to be pushed back.
 
I have some CZ97-like guns. I found that I was unable to chamber rounds most of the time and I couldn't get many rounds into the magazine. I shortened the OAL a bunch and now every .45 is happy.
 
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