College Textbook Bias

The anti-gun bias isn't just in the textbooks. The actual ciriculum is being tainted as well starting as early as pre-school. The educational system is a world entirely it's own that doesn't accept input from outsiders.

My uncle was a well respected deen at several universities over the years and is well known in may educational circles and he brought this to my attention. At a recent convention he attended he was litterally told to leave a discission with his "peirs" because he was a mature male caucasion and didn't belong in the educational system.

Higher education has been corrupted and manipulated by the sociallists and the elite to increase the class seperation in the United States. I have never found a job that required a 4 year degree that I couldn't learn to do in less than two weeks but in order to get hired for these jobs you MUST have paid your dues in the educational system and HOW MUCH YOU SPENT has more to do with the jobs available to you than what you can do. Who you know has a major influence as well.

They also use the educational system to bribe less fortunate groups into supporting them. Give minorities grants and scholarships and they'll owe you their livelyhood and remember you in the elections and support your policies.

There are a few good apples amongst bushells of rotten ones but for the most part education in the US is a dangerous thing.

I viewed such entrenched anti views not as an obstacle, but an opportunity. Take the "minority" view and, FIRST AND FOREMOST, be able and willing to do justice to it. Argue why absolutism in the defense of the 2A is not extreme at all. Point out the flaws in the assumptions or compilation in data tables. Point out what is missing from the history text and be prepared to cite to a more complete source. Always come off as coolheaded and prepared rather than as tautological and full of bluster. Never insult anyone. Whatever you do, do not fall into the trap that all views are of equal merit. They might all have the right to be discussed, but the logical flaws or faulty presumptions upon which some opinions rest are foundations built on sand. Politely knock them down. You learn more defending your own positions rather than keeping quiet or bowing to political correctness by conceding the validity of the anti line.

It is so easy to be discouraged. Many college types are impressionable and that is something to worry about when they are being spoon-fed claptrap. Your job is not to rail at the injustice of it all, it is to provide a reasonable and palatable antidote. No one ever said being a defender of the faith was popular or easy.

I'm guessing your out of High School, and talking about college courses. You should know that the individual Professors decide which books should be used. The college typically has no influence over what is used or who wrote the text.

I have never found a job that required a 4 year degree that I couldn't learn to do in less than two weeks but in order to get hired for these jobs you MUST have paid your dues in the educational system

Click to expand...

The idea is that you show you can stick to something and complete it. You don't learn the job you do in college. You show you are capable of learning the new stuff. At least that is the theory.

It's hard to fight the BS. The TSRA found that some school teachers in Texas believed the white tailed deer should not be hunted because it's an endangered species, and were telling that to students...

As far as college vs. a two-year system, it depends on the overall picture. I still remember a prof telling us seniors in 1962, "That engineering degree doesn't mean you're an engineer. It means you know in which book to find information." And, there is still the idea that a college education is more than just learning a trade; there's a reason for courses in English and the Humanities, etc. For that matter, my math, science and engineering course load was over three years...

Art

I have never found a job that required a 4 year degree that I couldn't learn to do in less than two weeks but in order to get hired for these jobs you MUST have paid your dues in the educational system

Click to expand...

No offense, but with your demonstrated need for continued instruction in the English language I can readily think of thousands of jobs that you are ill-equipped for.

See:
ciriculum
deen
"peirs"
caucasion
sociallists
livelyhood
bushells

Boats, would punctuation be too much to add?
and its vs it's.
Vb

I'm aware of that. If they have no choice but biased books, should the ones that even notice/care write their own? What is there five out of a 1000 teachers that care or aren't anti-gun?
Public schools 1-12 don't have individual teachers pick books and that is another issue to be looked at.
CT

Click to expand...

I believe you would find there are more non-biased books then biased, but i'm not a professor and I haven't bought textbooks in many years. On the other hand, even when I was still in school very few of my classes used a "textbook" in the classic sense. Most used books that the professors had written (I guess they did write their own books ) or case studies. The only textbooks I can readily point to, where my Calculus, Statistics, and accounting books, and possibly a macrotheory book.

Public schools k-12 usually have a commitee made up of teachers that review the books based on subject matter. They however, don't typically fact check, as it should be assumed that the publishers themselves do that. More often then not, they are looking for ease of use and clarity rather then political slant also.

English comp book had a section of "False Arguments", one they listed was the Second Amendment, they also stated taking it as an absolute right gave no ability to discuss it being right or wrong.

Click to expand...

Could you please reproduce that section here for us?

Well that’s what you get for going to a second rate community college like t.u.



Proud member of the Fightin’ Texas Aggie Class of 2000.

Well that’s what you get for going to a second rate community college like t.u.

Click to expand...

Funny, I didn't hear him mention that he went to Trinity University.

I teach at a junior college. When I first started teaching history (after teaching other subjects) I found we were using a book that had several attacks on the Second Amendment. We have now changed to a book that is at least neutral. There are so many books out there that it is possible to find something acceptable, though it does take time.

You should know that the individual Professors decide which books should be used. The college typically has no influence over what is used or who wrote the text.

Click to expand...

Former prof here. The above isn't entirely correct. At some unis, at least, certain core curriculum courses use standardized texts and lesson plans to one degree or another, as decided by departmental or program heads.

Doh! Shows I need to be careful in my generalizations.

I have never found a job that required a 4 year degree that I couldn't learn to do in less than two weeks but in order to get hired for these jobs you MUST have paid your dues in the educational system

Click to expand...

I'm a software engineer with very essentially nothing in the way of 'degrees' (although I have an A.S. from a private community college, where I was teaching when I got it). I paid my dues to the real world, learned a lot from some of the best and make a very nice living.. now.

Art - So TSRA stands for Texans Shooting Rare Animals?

I'm just kidding. It's been a long day...

John

Yes, my post was rushed I'm afraid. I usually spell-check my posts. My spelling deficiencies aside let me clarify my stance. Obviously there are many, many things I'm not capable of without extensive training and practice so let me post a more cogent explanation.

My beef is with elitist organizations who require you to have come from a particular background and have no interest in your ability to do the job. For instance there are many organizations that require certifications in a particular discipline regardless of previous experience. They don't care if you've done it before. You're not as "qualified" as someone who paid for the testing and certification. It's just another discrimination. Instead of "We don't like the way you look." it's "We don't like how you got here."

There are still lots of great people out there willing to hire people without a college degree. I myself have an AA and was working toward my BS in Computer Science when I found gainful employment as a computer tech that would have paid just as well as a starting job with my BS in CS degree. I've been gainfully employed in the computer support market since except for a brief stint as an over the road trucker just to see if I'd like it better

I didn't mean to imply that the educational system was worthless. Just dangerously flawed. I let my emotional side get the better of me on my initial post. Call it a "blissniny moment"

This was a major issue to me when picking where I was going this year. I ended up choosing Michigan Tech. Engineering school in the middle of nowhere, with a gun range on campus, so I figure it can't be too bad. Plus being in the UP of Michigan, some great deer hunting this fall.

My other choice was U of M. But, being a white christian male from a middle-upper class family, B-average student, I figured my chances of acceptance were almost nil.

The U.P. is God's country. I would be willing to bet that you have a better, albeit different, collegiate experience up there than you would sitting in 400 student survey courses as a Wolverine. Besides, you won't be as heartbroken everytime the UM football team travels out west and gets their hats handed to them. Go Ducks!

Besides, you won't be as heartbroken everytime the UM football team travels out west and gets their hats handed to them

Click to expand...

Another reason to head up there, I'm not a big football guy. Hockey is so much better

Pessimistic Prof

In my view, textbooks are not the main problem. In most major universities, there is a strong left wing bias on the part of the FACULTY; this bias dominates and suffocates any reasonable opposition. I am an "anti-leftist, free market" full professor at a major east coast university, and I am one of the few NOT in left field. I have three kids in college right now myself (ouch), and I have told them to NEVER let any prof - liberal, conservative, libertarian, whatever (and most are liberal) - browbeat them or indoctrinate them. I encourage my kids to CHALLENGE every prof they have, argue with them, give them bad ratings if they are too biased, and file complaints if all else fails.

As someone who has been on the inside for over 20 years, my suggestion is to consider most college educations today to be rated PG at best - Parental Guidance suggested. Do not let your kids go off to college thinking that profs are gods, or always speak the truth. Many professors are pseudo-intellectuals bent on indoctrinating rather than educating students.

So, going to college or sending your kids there? Caveat Emptor: Buyer BEWARE.

my two cents.
Boltaction

PS to make this gun related, let me say that I make it known on campus that I am for firearms rights, and I even participate in classes in the history department on gun control issues, etc. However, I would not recommend these activities to any untenured professor.

In most major universities, there is a strong left wing bias on the part of the FACULTY

Click to expand...

I'd amend that to say that liberal thinking and attitudes are commonplace in universities. However, not everyone with liberal views is guilty of bias or a lack of critical thinking. Liberals can be either brain-washed morons or careful, intelligent thinkers just as easily as conservatives can. And then there are plenty of folks who can't be easily lumped in any easily defined "wing," but rather reach conclusions on each issue for themselves.

I used to think like you, MP5, about

Liberals--i.e., as being capable of unbiased thought and critical thinking.

Then I concluded that their presdisposition to the inherent positive valuation of the group creates a bias that leaves them generally incapable of fostering critical thinking in students--at least in a country and society that values individualism as highly as we do.