New glock coming

GunnyUSMC said:

When was the last time you were in a real gun store, or stopped to look at the 22 handguns in a gun store. The 22 market for handguns is alive and well.
Also check out the mag capacity on most 22 autos handguns. You will find that most are 10 rounds.

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I'm in two LGS often but you are correct, I don't specifically look for .22 semi autos. I go straight to anything Glock and anything bigger than 9mm so I'm not up to date on the .22 market. I'm more up to date on the Glock22 market. I did buy a S&W .22 semi auto with 12 round capacity early this year(training a youngster) and I had no idea it was above average. Either way the Glock 44 does nothing to bring me (a non .22 guy) into the .22 world.

Styx said:

Because it mimics the G19 I reckon.

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No, it just looks like a G19.
I have never understood the concept of practicing with a gun that feels like your carry gun until you pull the trigger.
Might as well practice with an Airsoft replica.

TTv2 said:

I just have to ask those who are interested in this why they would buy it over other .22's currently available?

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I train a lot of people, and I too like to plink with a 22. I carry a Glock 22 when I'm carrying full size. A 27 when I'm carrying iwb. And a 229/220/226 all winter in a shoulder rig. I bought the mosquito (again they didn't admit to not having made their own gun- to begin with) to train people then after the fundamentals I hand them a full size. Of course after the huge embarrassing failures of the sig I went to a 226 in 22lr and like it too. If I trained anyone on ARs I'd have one in 22. But I do not. I'm known as the pistol guy. Kind of frustrating actually since I like to think I'm a good long range rifle shooter. I think it's due to the fact everyone wants their CCW permits. No one really gives a crap about hunting anymore around here
So the glock makes good sense to me and I'll likely have one. It will fit my holsters (not that I don't have 2 full drawers of holsters already) . It will be great to teach presentation, grip, and trigger pull, those being the biggest reasons people are such god- awful handgun shooters.
All my other 22s are the target guns with the exception of the 21/950/ minx etc guns which I collect but don't shoot terribly well. High standard, ruger, colt, smith, browning, beretta.....all Pinned/ fixed barrels and perfect triggers. They are awesome for hunting, target shooting, showing off etc. Ever look for a level 2 or 3 holster for a buckmark? Mk2? I haven't but it's unlikely there are many. Draw and presentation is easier to teach with a full size clone. They also don't mimic a duty trigger at all. If any of my target 22s had a trigger even remotely Glockish I'd throw it in the trash heap. Most also don't mimic the feel of the other guns. They tend to be narrow, and many have strange grip angles (neos, markseries. Etc. Great guns but feel more like a buck roger's weapon than a duty gun) . I'd take a beretta 87 or 22/45 any day over these just to target shoot or hunt personally. But for a teaching aid (and to keep yourself good on draw and presentation too but mostly a training aid)I think this is a good gun.

jmohme said:

No, it just looks like a G19.
I have never understood the concept of practicing with a gun that feels like your carry gun until you pull the trigger.
Might as well practice with an Airsoft replica.

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Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Might as well be. Would basically be the same exact concept and fill the same role.

jmohme said:

I have never understood the concept of practicing with a gun that feels like your carry gun until you pull the trigger.

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And for shooters that may be ok, But for new folks I don't think it is. Your statement also seems to exclude dry fire practice which many many people even competitors swear by (I've personally never been a fan other than smoothing out a DA or SA trigger pull however). Training with a 22 with the identical trigger is like dry fire practice but with the added benefit of seeing where you are hitting. Hand a 40-45-50 year old man or woman who hasn't shot a gun a G19 and after the first couple rounds you will usually be working on stopping trigger jerking and flinching. Let them fire 50 through a 22 and then move them to the 9 and it wont be as bad. If you can hit well with a 22 then you are capable of the fundamentals. If you cant shoot a 22 then adding recoil and noise and cost will do absolutely nothing. Shoot a few small groups and they will be confident and easier to train IME. Airsoft might be ok but the accuracy is crap and they are quiet. New shooters jump as much because of the report as they do the recoil. The sig and other cloned BB and pellet versions are 100 bucks and are also trash when it comes to accuracy and usually triggers too.

No one is saying give these to the SEALs to make them better shooters. They are saying it's a training aid to help with the newer people.

crestoncowboy said:

And for shooters that may be ok, But for new folks I don't think it is. Your statement also seems to exclude dry fire practice which many many people even competitors swear by (I've personally never been a fan other than smoothing out a DA or SA trigger pull however). Training with a 22 with the identical trigger is like dry fire practice but with the added benefit of seeing where you are hitting. Hand a 40-45-50 year old man or woman who hasn't shot a gun a G19 and after the first couple rounds you will usually be working on stopping trigger jerking and flinching. Let them fire 50 through a 22 and then move them to the 9 and it wont be as bad. If you can hit well with a 22 then you are capable of the fundamentals. If you cant shoot a 22 then adding recoil and noise and cost will do absolutely nothing. Shoot a few small groups and they will be confident and easier to train IME. Airsoft might be ok but the accuracy is crap and they are quiet. New shooters jump as much because of the report as they do the recoil. The sig and other cloned BB and pellet versions are 100 bucks and are also trash when it comes to accuracy and usually triggers too.

No one is saying give these to the SEALs to make them better shooters. They are saying it's a training aid to help with the newer people.

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I would have to disagree with your assessment on airgun triggers. . I agreed with every thing you are saying up to that point. I train often with air guns as well as 22.cals. And I am a DAO guy. No air guns do not have LIGHT Striker fired triggers, and could care less or want one if they did.But there are many with very Nice DAO.
That said, it is hard to find the exact same trigger on a carry gun with a air pistol or 22.cal. And it appears Glock has done this.

jmohme said:

I have never understood the concept of practicing with a gun that feels like your carry gun until you pull the trigger.

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Seems to me that many of the motions and actions that impact speed and accuracy all happen before you pull the trigger, so I kinda disagree. I do agree that learning to manage recoil between shots isn't going to get much stress when using a 22LR instead of a 9x19 or a 40S&W.

rbernie said:

Seems to me that many of the motions and actions that impact speed and accuracy all happen before you pull the trigger, so I kinda disagree. I do agree that learning to manage recoil between shots isn't going to get much stress when using a 22LR instead of a 9x19 or a 40S&W.

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Then what's the point in using a "trainer" vs the real thing? I don't think the naysayers are basing the G44 per se. I think the issue most people have is with the concept of a replica trainer pistol. Like you said, a lot of what it takes to shoot well happens before the trigger is pulled, and the rest depends on the actual firearm in question, e.i., what sights are on it, the trigger pull, recoil management, weight, etc.

Glock: Check out our new 22LR pistol!

S&W: Hold my beer...

Styx said:

Then what's the point in using a "trainer" vs the real thing?

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Presentation and first-shot accuracy, as an example, is an assembly of a whole host of motions - including trigger break and trigger follow-through. There's no question that using a 22LR trainer for this practice is less costly and impacts less physical stress (stress that is contrary, and not complementary, relative to the training goals) than when using centerfire chamberings.

That was my point - recoil management is a useful skill to master, but so is presentation and first-shot accuracy. For that training, I prefer to use a pistol that mimics my carry gun but which allows me to focus on the steps in question and not tire me unnecessarily.

I like to think it could make a really good woods pistol. The slide should be pretty weatherproof . Think it's interesting too that it's not a fixed barrel- should make replacement barrels really easy for the cottage industry to make. Also, there could be parts commonality with things in the frame- perhaps trigger, trigger bar and such? I don't know, I love .22 pistols, they're like jello- always room for more.

I can see this G44 getting some institutional sales. If someone needs a 22 LR trainer for police officers or soldiers, it's easier and cheaper to buy this pistol from Glock than to buy a G19 and outfit with a 22 conversion kit.

But for civilians... I just don't see it happening. I've been on the gun webs for a while, and can't think of many threads at all where people were wanting a 22 LR Glock trainer, or asking about 22 conversion kits for their Glocks. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places; Glocks never really interested me that much. But I haven't seen the demand there.

Glockaholics will probably snap one up, but for everyone else, there's too many other good 22 pistols out there to bother with a $400 trainer. If it has a tilting barrel and a 5lb striker trigger, your Buckmarks and Rugers of the world will smoke it in terms of accuracy while costing less money.

The picture of the Sig Mosquito on the previous page got me thinking; I am getting bad Mosquito vibes out of this gun.

-$400 new: check
-Long, crappy trigger pull: it has a normal trigger for a Glock, but that's a bad trigger for a 22.
-Chokes on everything but stingers: if the G44 has to move the barrel somehow, it probably won't be tolerant of weak ammo.

Hartkopf said:

So .22s in general are not big sellers? I haven't seen sales numbers but if that's the case,

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Luckily for you. Someone does track that very thing.

tarosean said:

Luckily for you. Someone does track that very thing.
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I find it hard to believe that over 300k 22lr revolver were manufactured, and 22lr out sell 9mm, 38special, and 357 revolver combined especially when there aren't even that many 22or revolver on the market. There must be a catch or missing relative information.

TTv2 said:

I just have to ask those who are interested in this why they would buy it over other .22's currently available?

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Amazingly enough, G44 is the only standard size .22 with Safe Action. Its only competitor is Walther PPQ 22 with no external safeties, but it's hammer-fired. That and its low price is what appeals to me about Glock 44.

GunnyUSMC said:

Why? Is there a big market for compact 22 pistols? There are other compact 22 autos on the market and I can’t think of one that is really doing all that great.
Some people get short sighted with their own wants and needs. Glock sales guns world wide, not just the American market.

First off the Glock 19 is one of Glock’s most popular handguns and the G23 is the same size.
If you own a 19 or a 23, the 44 will fit the holsters you already have. Plus the frame and trigger are the same size which is a big plus.
Hell, I bought a Kimber 22 convention for a 1911 and ended up building a frame for it to use as a trainer.
There are many shooters that like to train with 22s due to low recoil and low cost of ammunition. Even if you buy better quality 22 ammo for around 8 to 10 cents a round, that still beats 17 plus cents a round for 9mm.
About the biggest complaint about the 44 that has been said over and over in this topic is that it only has a 10 round magazine. One member every point out that the 10 round Mag was the worst thing about the gun, but the goes on to say that his 10 shot Ruger was a great gun.
Just look at the 22 autos on the market. Most of them only have 10 round magazines and no one is crying.
Now if the 44 ends up being a great seller, I’m pretty sure that Glock or someone else will make a higher capacity magazine.
I’m still undecided if I will get one, but I think it will be a big seller for Glock.

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Good points. The 10 round mag makes the gun a viable option in all 50 states, so I get why that makes some sense.

my issue with it is that since the TX22 came out with a 15 round mag, Glock (IMO) should have matched it. They could have easily made a second 10 round option for restricted states.

I also agree with all points regarding the G19 size, but with the introduction of the G48, they could have also gone with that frame since it’s really beginning to get legs and the size is great for small frame adults and younger shooters.

Ultmately, I think the gun will sell and I want one. I’ve been looking hard at The Taurus .22’s but hearing some issues and wanted them to work out. I'm glad Glock finally came around, but they didn’t live up to their ’big news/game changer’ hype IMO.

YMMV

GunnyUSMC said:

One member every point out that the 10 round Mag was the worst thing about the gun, but the goes on to say that his 10 shot Ruger was a great gun.

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I don't see an inconsistency here. Although absent a link we don't know what Ruger gun your alleged interlocutor meant, Mark IV or SR22, both of them offer competitive magazine sizes for their markets. Mark IV is a peer for Buckmark, Victory, and the like, all of whom have 10-round magazines. SR22 is small and competes with Browning 1911-22 and Walther P22. A 10-round magazine is completely appropriate for them. But Glock 44 is significanly larger than SR22, while not a target gun like Mark IV. In fact, Glock 19 has a 15-round magazine of 9mm! Same frame!

That all said, one of my online acquaintances said: "I'm not concerned about a 10 shot magazine. It's a Glock! it won't take long for a 100 round drum to appear." I'm afraid it's only too true, considering that Glock only ever shipped 6 round magazines for Glock 42 and how everyone uses ETS, even Promag.

They could have come up with a modular chassis design so you could interchange grip modules, i.e., put a G19 grip module on a G26, or any other combination of frames & grips.

These grip modules could be with or without palm swells, fingergrooves, extended beavertails, backstraps, stippling, rubberized grip surfaces, or knuckle-cut and bottom-cut triggerguard options, and perhaps with an 18 degree (1911) grip angle, or keep the standard 22 degree grip angle. This is what I’ve wanted for a long time.

Another .22LR pistol coming on the market is not my idea of legendary perfection. I’m sure ol’ Gaston will need help counting all the money he will make from other people off this new gun, but I don’t expect my money won’t be included.

GunnyUSMC said:

About the biggest complaint about the 44 that has been said over and over in this topic is that it only has a 10 round magazine. One member every point out that the 10 round Mag was the worst thing about the gun, but the goes on to say that his 10 shot Ruger was a great gun.

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Gunny,
I'm one of the people that mentioned my Rugers, a Mark IV and SR22 and questioned the 10 round magazine of the 44. For me, I already have two 22's that I'm happy with so there's nothing that distinguishes the 44 enough to make me buy one, especially for the way I use my 22's, as plinkers at my gun club. A 15 round magazine may have been enough of a difference to get me interested. If someone starts making those magazines I'll probably consider one. It's not a knock against the 44, just my $.02. As I stated I'm betting they're going to be a big seller.

I don't own any Glocks so this wouldn't be a trainer for me. I do like 22 caliber handguns. The 10 round mag is no problem either. In one of the links posted they stated there may be 15 round mags in the future. But since I shoot my Ruger single six with only 6 rounds and a slow reload a 10 round mag sounds good to me. I also shoot a couple of older Ruger Standard Model 22s with 9 round mags and they weigh around 36oz each.

And I like trail guns. At 16.5oz loaded I think thats just fantastic. I don't need another SD gun. I have all the guns I need for SD. I like guns I can play with and shoot without ammo cost worry or trying to pick up empties to reload. I'm all up for this gun. And I bet replacing the sights with better sights will make it a better shooter.

I just noticed it comes with adjustable rear sight. So the issue sights may be just fine.

Jeb Stuart said:

I would have to disagree with your assessment on airgun triggers.

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My kids have 2 beretta 92/96 clones and a sig clone. Niether can be measured by my trigger scale and it maxes at 12lbs. Lol. But my statement was limited to cheapish co2 guns. There is a lot going on inside the gun with each trigger pull. No doubt there are much better ones. They also have a bb pistol that favors a 2nd gen smith auto. It's trigger is the worst I've ever seen. Probably a 25 dollar gun though

Styx said:

I find it hard to believe that over 300k 22lr revolver were manufactured

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I'd have to agree, especially when only 400k semi auto 22s are made. I see 50 to 1 new semi autos to revolvers sold in 22. Maybe ruger made 275k wranglers anticipating demand. Lol. And the ones that are manufactured in DA are not cheap.

As far as the ten round cap goes doesn't .22 lr start to develop a curve if you aren't staggering the rounds and risking rim lock after ten or so rounds? Isn't that why the 25 and thirty round mags for the 10/22's look like a banana hanging out of the magazine well?

got a buds email sign up pre sale for it for 379 or 369 of buds member. cash prices of course. use credit card add another 3 or so percent. so not sure if this is the street price or get the early wanting high paying suckers while they can on new stuff?