Background checks for ammo in California: Law abiding citizens are being denied

I'd be ashamed to register my weapons so I lack sympathy for those who did and now pay the consequence. Hey, at least they will be law abiding when they are like the English with only photos of what once was theirs.

Ammo the new drug of choice for gangs to profit from in the black market within the borders of CA. What are the lawmakers going to do? Put up a wall and have checkpoints on the roads at the border to stop the ammo from coming in to that state? A tax stamp on each box of ammo? Pure idiocy if you ask me!!

fireside44 said:

I'd be ashamed to register my weapons so I lack sympathy for those who did and now pay the consequence. Hey, at least they will be law abiding when they are like the English with only photos of what once was theirs.

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I’m certain a good number of them are like-minded individuals who aren’t going to allow pedantry and principles to prevent them from protecting themselves and their family.

"California background checks for ammo denying law abiding citizens"

I'm pretty sure that's what you call a feature, not a bug.

Deanimator said:

"California background checks for ammo denying law abiding citizens"

I'm pretty sure that's what you call a feature, not a bug.

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^^^ THIS.

The goal is to prevent anything relating to firearms.

fireside44 said:

I'd be ashamed to register my weapons so I lack sympathy for those who did and now pay the consequence.

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It's the other way around. If you're in the automated firearms system, and the information matches whatever ID you're using to buy ammo, there's (at least in theory) not a problem. And being in the AFS includes anyone who's bought a handgun in the last three decades. That isn't voluntary registration. In other words, to meet that criterion, all you had to do was buy a handgun at some point since 1990.

"Operating as designed."

I have been buying ammo - all the ammo I want - in California with no problem whatsoever.

I properly documented my firearms and got a Firearms Safety Cert. I have bought thousands of rounds at a time, legally and without issue.

I am a patriot and a US Navy veteran. Do not think that because I abide by the law that I am not a good American.

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I have deleted a wave of off topic commentary that is irrelevant. Can we say things that are constructive and on topic?

While I abhor that law and would do my best to avoid it I don't begrudge those who fill out the forms to get by and finish their transaction.

I gave up my HIPAA in WA because you have to to legally buy a gun. I can't just move and I'm not interested in being a felon so I sucked it up and signed... and donated $20 to the NRA.

HIPAA=Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act has nothing to do with legally buying a gun.

"I properly documented my firearms and got a Firearms Safety Cert. I have bought thousands of rounds at a time, legally and without issue."

Ok, please clarify for me. About a year ago I legally sent a Browning Hi-Power to my son in Sacramento. He picked it up at an FFL and it is legally transferred to him. Does he now need a "Firearms Safety Cert." to buy ammo???

bearman49709 said:

HIPAA=Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act has nothing to do with legally buying a gun.

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Tell me about it...

jonnyc said:

Ok, please clarify for me. About a year ago I legally sent a Browning Hi-Power to my son in Sacramento. He picked it up at an FFL and it is legally transferred to him. Does he now need a "Firearms Safety Cert." to buy ammo???

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To take possession of any firearm in Ca., be it inter familial transfer, PPT, or retail purchase, an FSC is required. To purchase ammo, the requirements are to have purchased or registered through transfer, a firearm. This "puts" them in the doj's system as having a background check performed during the 10 day waiting/cooling off period.

Them when purchasing the ammo, a CA DL or CA ID is scanned for verification.

jonnyc said:

"I properly documented my firearms and got a Firearms Safety Cert. I have bought thousands of rounds at a time, legally and without issue."

Ok, please clarify for me. About a year ago I legally sent a Browning Hi-Power to my son in Sacramento. He picked it up at an FFL and it is legally transferred to him. Does he now need a "Firearms Safety Cert." to buy ammo???

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No. Since the pistol went through an FFL he is documented as having a legal firearm so when he buys ammo and they run his info the DOJ will see he legally owns a gun and will approve the ammo purchase. The kicker is he can buy any ammo, not just the ammo that feeds that gun. So if he has a 9mm but wants to buy .22lr he can.

BUT, if you sent it to him a year ago he would have had to get the FSC to have the gun properly transferred to him. The FSC is a card one gets after passing a multiple choice safety test about the handling and storage of firearms.

I properly documented all my firearms too. Got a sales receipt every time I bought one.

Rules that are forcing law abiding citizens in some states to take steps (baby steps for now) to eventual removal of their 2A rights IMHO. That handwriting is on the wall.

bdickens said:

I properly documented all my firearms too. Got a sales receipt every time I bought one.

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How do I document a handshake with a fellow gun owner? YouTube?

Corpral_Agarn said:

The goal is to prevent anything relating to firearms.

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I have to disagree.
This kind of law is designed to gather statistics that will be used to justify further restrictions on what the law's writers want to restrict,
The more sales that are refused, the more "felons" that have been prevented from committing their particular crimes through this wise legislation - although some of the "felons" are obviously slipping through the cracks... .

Fireside44 you gotta love it when you live in a free state don't you. I once had a hard time getting a stolen rifle back after the court case for the perp. The DA came from MASS and insisted on my bill of sale first.
I asked politely if it was possible for them to dig my long dead grandfathers grave up so I could get him to sign a bell of sale? He was NOT happy with me to say the least. I had dated pictures and the serial number along with the initial form reporting it stolen. Took a lawyer and a reading of the law in Maine to educate him that I (not anyone else for that matter) did not have to have a bill of sale to prove ownership of a firearm, a lawn mower, a can of beans, or whatever else I had in my possesion that nobody else laid legal claim to. You would think HE would have known that obvious fact though.

We are way off ammo sales in CA and meandering.

Thus, closed.