WA attorney General announced more anti-gun legislation.

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I just saw a blurb on the evening news in which WA state AG Bob Ferguson announced they are introducing even more anti-gun legislation that will outlaw magazines that hold more than ten rounds and "assault rifles".

Now, since Washington formally changed the definition of "assault rifle" as all semi-auto rifles, we are talking about one of the most encompassing bans in US history.

I'm trying to find more details and some actual cites, but I am literally shaking I am so furious at the relentless assault on my freedoms by the leftists in Seattle!
 
Found more info...

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/12/wa...es-sweeping-gun-control-agenda/#axzz67xupcvz0


Washington – -(AmmoLand.com)- Flanked by representatives from several Seattle-based gun prohibition lobbying groups along with representatives from the office of Gov. Jay Inslee, Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson announced sweeping gun control proposals Thursday that include magazine capacity limits, a ban on the sale of so-called “assault weapons,” background check requirements for ammunition sales and more.

Ferguson, a Democrat, is famous for having sued the Trump administration nearly 50 times since President Donald Trump took office in 2017.

Also appearing with Ferguson, according to his office, were Democrat state Sens. David Frockt and Patty Kuderer, and state Reps. Strom Peterson and Javier Valdez. They joined representatives from the Alliance for Gun Responsibility, Grandmothers Against Gun Violence and Washington Ceasefire.

Ferguson is portraying his legislative wish list as a strategy to “combat mass shootings in Washington State.” In 2014, the Alliance for Gun Responsibility bankrolled Initiative 594, requiring background checks for all firearms transfers, with a few narrow exceptions. Less than two years later, in 2016, a 19-year-old killer passed a background check when he purchased a semi-auto rifle and subsequently opened fire at a teen party in Mukilteo, killing three former classmates and wounding a fourth. Three months later, another 19-year-old took a semi-auto rimfire rifle from his stepfather without permission and opened fire at the Cascade Mall in Burlington, killing five shoppers. He bypassed a background check by taking the gun from home.

The proposals are already getting criticism, including comments from John McKay at KFLD, NewsTalk 870.

“Not to be cynical,” McKay said in a brief report online, “but given the previous attempts to pile on more gun restrictions, controls and anti-2nd Amendment legislation, we're fully expecting a new round of handcuffs–all while not really addressing the root issues of such problems.”

Last year, again with backing from the Seattle gun control lobby, voters passed Initiative 1639, which included a definition of a so-called “semiautomatic assault rifle” that applies literally to every self-loading rifle ever manufactured, including .22-caliber rimfire sporting rifles that have been around for a century.

Now, the prediction from Evergreen State gun rights activists appears to be coming true: invent a definition and then ban the guns as defined.

Even Spokane County Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich told reporters earlier this year the only reason the definition was included in I-1639 was to make it possible for anti-gunners to later push for a complete ban.

Under Ferguson’s proposed ammunition regulations, violent felons who can’t legally buy guns would also be prohibited from buying or possessing ammunition.

It would be illegal for a retailer to sell ammunition to anyone he knew was prohibited from legally buying or owning firearms.

Under the ammunition proposal, background checks for all ammo sales would be required starting “30 days after the U.S. Department of Justice changes its rules and authorizes dealers to use the national instant criminal background check system, known as NICS, to initiate a check for a transfer of ammunition.”

Ammunition dealers would be required to obtain a state firearms license for $125.

In Ferguson’s news release, there were references to mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio and El Paso, Texas. The release noted that nine states restrict sales of so-called “high capacity magazines.” Washington is not one of them.

The attorney general also alluded to data from the anti-gun Violence Policy Center that claimed “high-capacity magazines have been involved in at least 74 mass shootings” since 1980, a period of nearly 40 years. When you call normal capacity gun magazines “high-capacity” that is and expected result.

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Washington Rep. Amy Walen
The ammunition legislation is reportedly sponsored by Rep. Amy Walen, a Kirkland Democrat.

“Ammunition safety is a critical component of firearm safety that we can’t forget about,” Walen said in the Ferguson news release. “We can’t keep our communities safe if dangerous individuals who are prohibited from owning guns can still keep ammunition. It’s past time for Washington to catch up with states like Idaho, Louisiana, and Texas and prevent dangerous individuals from purchasing ammunition.”

Evergreen State gun owners have been in the crosshairs of the gun prohibition lobby for several years. Backed by a handful of wealthy supporters, gun control lobbyists have been successful with three initiative measures over the past five years, outspending grassroots rights activists sometimes 20-to-1, and that includes reported expenditures by the National Rifle Association and local Second Amendment groups. Many in the grassroots gun rights community are currently campaigning to repeal I-1639 with a signature-gathering effort on their own measure, Initiative 1094, an initiative to the legislature. They need to gather 300,000 signatures by Christmas in order to validate their initiative.

The NRA and Second Amendment Foundation are challenging provisions of I-1639 in federal court in Tacoma. That case is currently in the discovery phase.
 
Time to get folks together and file lawsuit after lawsuit and tie them up in court
 
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Washington Rep. Amy Walen
The ammunition legislation is reportedly sponsored by Rep. Amy Walen, a Kirkland Democrat.

“Ammunition safety is a critical component of firearm safety that we can’t forget about,” Walen said in the Ferguson news release. “We can’t keep our communities safe if dangerous individuals who are prohibited from owning guns can still keep ammunition. It’s past time for Washington to catch up with states like Idaho, Louisiana, and Texas and prevent dangerous individuals from purchasing ammunition.”

What is she talking about when she says it's time for Washington to catch up with states like Idaho? Where is the commonality in thinking between Idaho and Rep. Amy Walen? Just curious. Idaho is headed the other direction from Washington, always has been; and even more so in the last 4-5 years.
 
I will be out of this state before the ink dries on my retirement documents signature lines ...

I too was literally shaking with anger after this latest pronouncement from our idiot AG.

Only trouble is that this problem is gradually going to creep into Idaho, Montana etc if people don't stand up for themselves and their rights.
 
Only trouble is that this problem is gradually going to creep into Idaho, Montana etc if people don't stand up for themselves and their rights.

The "COW" (California, Oregon & Washington) migration into Idaho has already started it's effects in other areas of life. But Idaho has a lot of staunch gun nuts, especially in Canyon County that it'll be a BIG fight for any statewide legislation. Per capita, Canyon County is often at the top of the nations list for CCW holders. That may have changed now that we have Constitutional Carry passed, but before when a CCW license was the only means of carrying concealed it was the case.
 
The "COW" (California, Oregon & Washington) migration into Idaho has already started it's effects in other areas of life. But Idaho has a lot of staunch gun nuts, especially in Canyon County that it'll be a BIG fight for any statewide legislation. Per capita, Canyon County is often at the top of the nations list for CCW holders. That may have changed now that we have Constitutional Carry passed, but before when a CCW license was the only means of carrying concealed it was the case.

I read a story about the new mayor of boise being a California transplant. Never good when the capital city is run by liberal Democrats.
 
I read a story about the new mayor of boise being a California transplant. Never good when the capital city is run by liberal Democrats.

Yup, now we have a liberal mayor and liberal president of Boise State. :barf:

Boise is a totally different place than what it was 25 years ago. Even the past 10 years it has changed dramatically. Even though we were all told that it was only conservatives that were moving in. :scrutiny:

Metropolitan areas breed liberalism and dependency on government; every state's got one.
 
Hopefully, some of these laws get thrown up to the supreme courts and get struck down.
 
Only trouble is that this problem is gradually going to creep into Idaho, Montana etc if people don't stand up for themselves and their rights.
And what does that look like to you? We are literally out-numbered and out-gunned (in terms of money -- Bloomberg poured money into this state to help finish an anti-gun initiative that we can't possibly match). It doesn't help when only 11 to 13 percent of eligible registered voters in our rural, more conservative counties actually vote in elections and 37 to 56 percent of those eligible to vote in King County (our most populous, thoroughly and disgustingly socialist county) do vote.

And news flash: this problem has already crept into Idaho and Montana. The good folks in those states just haven't seen it coming yet.

But Idaho has a lot of staunch gun nuts, especially in Canyon County that it'll be a BIG fight for any statewide legislation. Per capita, Canyon County is often at the top of the nations list for CCW holders.
Hubris. Exactly what we in Washington thought prior to the 2014 and 2018 general elections. Good luck.
 
“30 days after the U.S. Department of Justice changes its rules and authorizes dealers to use the national instant criminal background check system, known as NICS, to initiate a check for a transfer of ammunition.”
Seeing as how they at NICS flat out stated that POC States don't get NICS access as a cost cutting measure. they are unlikely to gin up a "just for Washington State goaround" (especially one with as many potential phone calls as ammo checks would require).

Which means that they would have a de facto ban on ammo sales. Which would probably only last for about 15 minutes of judicial study., bit only after the case was brought to trial and after millions of law-abiding were denied ammo (and not a single criminal delayed a single second).
 
Under the ammunition proposal, background checks for all ammo sales would be required starting “30 days after the U.S. Department of Justice changes its rules and authorizes dealers to use the national instant criminal background check system, known as NICS, to initiate a check for a transfer of ammunition.”

Seeing as how they at NICS flat out stated that POC States don't get NICS access as a cost cutting measure. they are unlikely to gin up a "just for Washington State goaround" (especially one with as many potential phone calls as ammo checks would require).

Which means that they would have a de facto ban on ammo sales. Which would probably only last for about 15 minutes of judicial study., bit only after the case was brought to trial and after millions of law-abiding were denied ammo (and not a single criminal delayed a single second).
 
30 days after the U.S. Department of Justice changes its rules
This is the mealy-mouthed double-tongue part of this.

Why would DoJ change its rules? Just because the State of Washington asks them to?

They changed the POC NICS use rules as a cost saving measure due to the current volume of calls. So, they have zero reason to open the floodgates at the NICS calling centers to handle every ammo transaction in Washington.

Now, our politicos are a dense lot, all too often, on average. But, this smacks of the tax stamp requirement for controlled substances when tnot tax stamp was authorized to be issued.
 
Think twice before giving your info to change.org. I don’t know much about them, but the little I have found, they won’t get anything from me. I’d love to see Inslee and Ferguson gone, but some on-line survey won’t do a darn thing.
 
We need to organize in WA and letting Gottlieb do the talking, or waiting for NRA cavalry isnt going to work. We need a left-leaning gun rights org that tethers guns to social justice.

I know it's unpalatable to some but I want to try and team up with BLM, Antifa, etc. For armed protest. Guns being an exclusively right wing issue is killing 2a and we need to make the argument that 2a secures all rights more forcefully.

HOWEVER you feel about race, abortion, etc. You need a gun to resist tyrannical erosion of whatever right you value.

Maybe you'll see me on the news if I get more serious about forming a left wing gun org in Seattle.
 
We need to organize in WA and letting Gottlieb do the talking, or waiting for NRA cavalry isnt going to work. We need a left-leaning gun rights org that tethers guns to social justice.

I know it's unpalatable to some but I want to try and team up with BLM, Antifa, etc. For armed protest. Guns being an exclusively right wing issue is killing 2a and we need to make the argument that 2a secures all rights more forcefully.

HOWEVER you feel about race, abortion, etc. You need a gun to resist tyrannical erosion of whatever right you value.

Maybe you'll see me on the news if I get more serious about forming a left wing gun org in Seattle.

Teaming up with the likes of antifa is a BAD mistake. They are a gang of violent leftists, known for destroying property and maiming people. Associating with them means being perceived as being like them.
That is absolutly wrong.
We ought not want people in America, fence-sitters, or even those who oppose us, (maybe ESPECIALLY those opposing us!!!!!) perceiving us that way. We will lose.
 
Teaming up with the likes of antifa is a BAD mistake. They are a gang of violent leftists, known for destroying property and maiming people. Associating with them means being perceived as being like them.
That is absolutly wrong.
We ought not want people in America, fence-sitters, or even those who oppose us, (maybe ESPECIALLY those opposing us!!!!!) perceiving us that way. We will lose.

I strongly disagree. Associating guns with liberal values is absolutely how we form a bipartisan support for guns. To a liberal owning guns and voting trump are synonymous and that's killing us flat out.
 
I strongly disagree. Associating guns with liberal values is absolutely how we form a bipartisan support for guns. To a liberal owning guns and voting trump are synonymous and that's killing us flat out.


Then find a nonviolent liberal group to associate with. Antifa traces it's history back to pre-Nazi Germany and vied with other statist organizations for power and social prominence. Their American iteration is dangerous, violent, malevolent, and will seriously injure the public image of pro-2A groups in America. You SERIOUSLY need to rethink your philosophy!!
 

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I want to get teachers unions armed during wage strikes, $15/hour protestors open carrying, etc. If those people see guns as central to their mission we will crack the bloomberg bloc and I truly believe it's the only way. I will gladly support causes I don't love if I get an ally who will support a cause I do love.

I would never do anything illegal or violent nor would I support any movement that is, but the times require strange alliances to secure RKBA. I know for a fact that we will continue sliding into oblivion if we don't expand the tent.

We will never out vote seattle, we must convert them, whatever it takes.
 
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