New Production Walther PPK & PPK/s
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greenmtnguy
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So many think rhe Bersa is a Walther clone but the engineers at Bersa who designed it came from Beretta. From far away there is outline similarity to a Walrher but it really is much more of a 80s series in design and function
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Kinda like the Beretta 90?
greenmtnguy
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Beretta 83, 85. But no tip up barrel
ThomasT
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Oops! You're right.
https://gunblast.com/Bersa_380CC.htm
Maybe forgetting the link was a good thing. Here is a follow up review of the Bersa.
https://gunblast.com/Bersa_Thunder380-2.htm
IMO , a person is better off looking for an Interarms era PPK. Not too hard to find , no monster beaver , and you know what you are getting.
I am sure that when the Interarms USA built PPKs came out there were doubters , like I am now about the new ones , but the Interarms pistols now have a good track record. Smeday this new line may too. (but the butt ugly beaver tails will still be on 'em ...)
I am sure that when the Interarms USA built PPKs came out there were doubters , like I am now about the new ones , but the Interarms pistols now have a good track record. Smeday this new line may too. (but the butt ugly beaver tails will still be on 'em ...)
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Mr. Mosin
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I'm sure people said the same thing about the 1911a1. Also, couldn't you just re-countour the beaver tail back to original specs ?
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I just purchased a 1967 PPK new unfired with brown box and papers. Still in preservative. 850 OTD. Could not pass it up. I know it will be a safe queen but I do not care. Have a S&W for shooting and such. No problem with reliability yet. I think the German made PPK is the finest DA in 380 or 32.
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From *my* *limited* understanding, the original German PP and PPK were the absolute cream of the crop; and the various other renditions have given them a bad name. Hopefully this new run will live up to the originals reputation.
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I’ve always wanted a PPK, and a Sig P232. Never have made it a priority though.
Maybe I’ll change that in the future.
Maybe I’ll change that in the future.
Sure , that would be a possibility , but I can't imagine buying a new firearm then taking power tools to it to reduce an undesirable appendage , not when there are viable alternatives.
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Personally I like it. Better, faster grip on the draw, more stability in firing and recoil.
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In the mid70s I had, at separate times, both PP and PPK/s carry pistols. In the late 80s I purchased a stainless steel PPK.
I have always carried them in my Roy's Leather Goods pancake holster that I purchased for carrying the first in 1975.
I still have that last one and until shortly into the new millennium (when I found a couple of nice alternatives) I carried it a lot. Actually, I carried & shot all 3 quite a bit.
I found them all to be "acceptably accurate" and the sights adequate (when I still had raptor vision) but I much prefer locked-breech designs and, also, the DA on all 3 has really sucked.
I have always carried them in my Roy's Leather Goods pancake holster that I purchased for carrying the first in 1975.
I still have that last one and until shortly into the new millennium (when I found a couple of nice alternatives) I carried it a lot. Actually, I carried & shot all 3 quite a bit.
I found them all to be "acceptably accurate" and the sights adequate (when I still had raptor vision) but I much prefer locked-breech designs and, also, the DA on all 3 has really sucked.
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Not really all that interested in the PPK anymore but a friend of mine had a SIG P230 and I have to say I was really impressed with that gun! Built like the proverbial Swiss watch this gun was done to perfection. Only thing I could find fault with was the DA trigger was a little heavy but still very serviceable. All in all a fine pistol worth having.
Not really all that interested in the PPK anymore but a friend of mine had a SIG P230 and I have to say I was really impressed with that gun! Built like the proverbial Swiss watch this gun was done to perfection. Only thing I could find fault with was the DA trigger was a little heavy but still very serviceable. All in all a fine pistol worth having.
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Ive had both, and consider the P230/232 far superior- lighter, more reliable, less ammo-sensitive, better trigger, easier to takedown, better decocker. The Sigs only drawback is the heel-mounted magazine catch.
Even the lowly Astra Constable is a better gun, IMO. Ive seen Bersas break in a few stupid ways, so Im not a big fan.
In fact the more I think about it, the more Im kinda hating my Walther. Thats it, Im selling it and buying another P230......
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If I had the $$$$, you could sell it to me, heh
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LOL! I love the internal debate that must have been going on while typing that post.
Lets be honest - If we were to develop comparative ratings pitting the PPK against some of the more successful later and contemporary pistols , rating for ergonomics , perceived recoil , ease of racking the slide , versatility of different ammunition , reliability regardless of handling technique and so on , the PPK would not come out on top. To say that pistol A has less recoil , pistol B is easier to rack - those evaluations are most likely valid. The PPK has always had - and I hope will continue to have (?) - a following because of its' historical significance (what was the last gun Hitler ever shot?) , Euro styling (GREAT looking muzzle) , and of course the James Bond allure. The Walther PPK is simply a very good looking firearm , and it has significant cool factor for the fore mentioned reasons.
I was fairly new to shooting when I first took my PPK to the range. I jammed it real quick. Had to have a gunsmith un-jam it for me - OH the embarrassment! I got smart and did some research , learned that when chambering the first round the slide needed to be cycled "briskly" (said that in the manual iirc) - draw it back sharply and release it cleanly , do not ride the slide. Also - let the trigger reset quickly - do not ride that either. And - firm grip is imperative , the PPK does not like any hint of limp wristing. Any and all the mistakes a hesitant novice tends to make - the Walther will give you negative feedback. I practiced , I learned , I became confident and proficient with the PPK. It was a great training experience , a good confidence builder.
The Walther PPK is an iconic firearm. I love mine , makes me feel good just looking at it. (see post #31) Perhaps the new run of PPKs will prove to be durable , quality handguns. I hope so ; we'll see in the long run.
That said I stand on the belief that you can't make a big obvious change in the appearance of an iconic firearm without compromising the validity of it's lineage.
Call it a PPKBBT maybe ... (Big Beaver Tail)
I was fairly new to shooting when I first took my PPK to the range. I jammed it real quick. Had to have a gunsmith un-jam it for me - OH the embarrassment! I got smart and did some research , learned that when chambering the first round the slide needed to be cycled "briskly" (said that in the manual iirc) - draw it back sharply and release it cleanly , do not ride the slide. Also - let the trigger reset quickly - do not ride that either. And - firm grip is imperative , the PPK does not like any hint of limp wristing. Any and all the mistakes a hesitant novice tends to make - the Walther will give you negative feedback. I practiced , I learned , I became confident and proficient with the PPK. It was a great training experience , a good confidence builder.
The Walther PPK is an iconic firearm. I love mine , makes me feel good just looking at it. (see post #31) Perhaps the new run of PPKs will prove to be durable , quality handguns. I hope so ; we'll see in the long run.
That said I stand on the belief that you can't make a big obvious change in the appearance of an iconic firearm without compromising the validity of it's lineage.
Call it a PPKBBT maybe ... (Big Beaver Tail)
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I see your opinion, and raise you "Remember the original 1911 ? How about the 1911A1 ?".
If an additional half inch of steel makes people *that* upset, don't buy one. More for me. If that additional half inch of steel keeps you from concealing it, then conceal something else. That additional half inch of beavertail gives a better grip on the draw, more stability in firing and in recoil. If it's *that* annoying, pay a gunsmith to re-countour the frame.
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Ergonomics ? What's this thing you call "ergonomics", lol. No, in all seriousness, even the PPK has any Glock, and most polymer guns beat for ergonomics.
Perceived recoil ? Practice. Your acclimatized to it ? Practice more.
Ease of racking the slide ? Most likely improper technique. If not... grab it and grunt.
Versatility of ammo ? Many would argue (myself among them) that outside of one or two manufacturers, .380 Auto doesn't warrant an expanding projectile, and should be content with a FMJ.
Reliability regardless of handling technique ? I can make any semi auto pistol malfunction if I hold it like a snowflake. I've made Glocks jam, Shields jam, Sig's, CZ's, etc. Only thing that's never jammed on me is a revolver and a 1911. If your gonna grab a gun, grab it like your life depends on it- because it probably will at some point.
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Top of the "Unaffected By Limp Wrist" list is the S&W 5906. (Perhaps all the pistols of that generation share that characteristic ; my experience is 5006 specific)
I once conducted a "can I get this to jam" exercise with my stainless S&W 9mm. I softened my wrist and grip more and more until I was in danger of having the gun leave my hand and hit me in the face - unjammable. Amazingly reliable.
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I was, quite frankly; surprised that I got the Glock to jam. Both a 42 and a 23. Surprised that I got the CZ to jam too.
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FWIW, I've owned two FEG "clones" of the PP and they are both excellent. My FiL somehow talked me out of the first one, so I replaced it soon afterwards. I think the first one was $199 from AIM, and the second was $225 or so from GB. They have aluminum frames and are chambered in 32acp. I also have the steel-framed PPK version in 380acp. It's not as pleasant to shoot, though not terrible. It also cost $250 or less and works just fine.
If anyone wants a PP or PPK and can't easily afford one, the FEG's seem to be a pretty good substitute (I like their Hi Powers also).
The Sig P230 is also nice. It seems like a slightly upgraded PP. I agree that the heel magazine release is annoying, though.
My Russian Makarov kind of seems like a simplified or slightly downgraded PP. It's functioned perfectly since I got it brand-new in 1988 though, so I really can't complain.
If anyone wants a PP or PPK and can't easily afford one, the FEG's seem to be a pretty good substitute (I like their Hi Powers also).
The Sig P230 is also nice. It seems like a slightly upgraded PP. I agree that the heel magazine release is annoying, though.
My Russian Makarov kind of seems like a simplified or slightly downgraded PP. It's functioned perfectly since I got it brand-new in 1988 though, so I really can't complain.
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