Virginia's next move

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VCDL has announced a FIGHT SONG!
"Kenneth Hall, a patriot from Nebraska who is also a singer, approached us and told us we could use any of the songs he has recorded free of charge. Having listened to a few of his songs, I [VCDL President Phil Van CLeve] asked him if he could do a special version of Petty's song for VCDL.

"He agreed and the song (a parody version) is called "We Won't Back Down" and is royalty free for our use!

"Click here to listen to VCDL's new fight song."
 
And theres the rub, we dont have out of state billionaires paying for free bus rides.

While most of us in this discussion would be willing to take off work and pay 35 bucks to get to the rally, or moreover drive our own cars and pay gas etc., there are no doubt some that won't.


Point is it's hard to compete with agenda based billionaires.


Still I am confident we'll have a turnout for our side bigger than any other LD so far.
if what i am reading on ar15 is even half true, your going to have a lot of people out there.
 
Why don't some of the conservative billionaire money sources (they do exist) speak up for the RKBA?
Because likely openly supporting 2A causes may negatively impact their companies' bottom line. NRA tried to keep their largest donors anonymous - https://www.bustle.com/p/the-nras-b...allowed-to-remain-anonymous-heres-why-9799240

But New York Times revealed 1000 of the largest NRA donors and chances are many were pressured against supporting NRA after the reveal and many cut ties with NRA - https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/daily-bulletin-nra-scotus-sandy-hook-charleston/

Here's THR thread "Are there any PRO gun billionaires?" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/are-there-any-pro-gun-billionaires.742288/page-3

My guess is that if there are pro-gun billionaires, they may have already worked to protect/preserve gun rights/2A in ways that may not be obvious or out in the open.

if what i am reading on ar15 is even half true, your going to have a lot of people out there.
And I believe a grassroots movement by gun owners to pressure law makers is better than billionaires making large contributions in gaining public support.
 
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the majority of voters don't understand the current laws AND have been lied to and frankly the majority aren't sure.
I agree.

To me, issue at hand is the WILL of the majority being imposed on the RIGHTS of the minority, as protected by Bill of Rights.

Like many other civil rights issues that won protection for minority groups from the majority, I believe right to self protection/defense by gun ownership should be the next civil rights movement - https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/28/gun-rights-are-a-civil-rights-issue/
 
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It will be for the people to decide.

If town hall meetings in Virginia is an indication, they are speaking loudly for their rights.

Bedford County becomes a Second Amendment sanctuary


BTW, here's a good review of VA gun control bills that could be knocking on others states soon (No more hiding in free states) - Virginia turns Anti-Gun overnight with Bloomberg – Waste no time with gun confiscation SB16,18,64

Virginia Gun Control Bills | What You Need to Know

12/14/19 Update: Does the Boogaloo Begin in Virginia?
 
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the Virginia governor is going to pass registration of all ar15 type guns, no grandfathering. This way he will know who has them when confiscation becomes law. you won't be able to sell them or transfer them out of state without proper FFL paperwork, so brother-in-law in next state can't help. sure you can have a "boating" accident, then get caught with a firearm that makes you an instant felon as if you stole it yourself..... voter apathy in Virginia has paved the way to make it the California of the east coast since it already has taxes higher its neighbors. the law won't be reversed in any court, California et al. are proof of that, the Supreme court won't bother with it because you can still get a permit to conceal carry a 5 shot J frame, which meets the 2nd amendment requirements. BTW, look for ccw permits to get a few more restrictions to obtain and become off limits.
 
the law won't be reversed in any court, California ... proof of that
Incorrect.

In March of this year, federal judge Benitez overturned CA ban on larger than 10 round capacity magazines with judgement legalizing all capacity magazines followed by a stay - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-2#post-11098192

And many anti gun laws HAVE BEEN reversed in CA ... it's just that media won't provide much coverage of these case wins for gun owners.

And while we wait on 9th Circuit appeal for Duncan v Becerra, president Trump just appointed 10th judge to 9th Circuit so future panel make up could be conservative pro gun/2A - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tw...firmed-over-objections-of-california-senators

And Assault Weapons ban, ammunition sales ban along with other gun rights issues are being challenged in court as we speak (See page 2 for current 9th Circuit cases) - https://crpa.org/news/litigation/november-court-report/
 
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Incorrect.

In March of this year, federal judge Benitez overturned CA ban on larger than 10 round capacity magazines with judgement legalizing all capacity magazines followed by a stay - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-2#post-11098192

And many anti gun laws HAVE BEEN reversed in CA ... it's just that media won't provide much coverage of these case wins for gun owners.

And while we wait on 9th Circuit appeal for Duncan v Becerra, president Trump just appointed 10th judge to 9th Circuit so future panel make up could be conservative pro gun/2A - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tw...firmed-over-objections-of-california-senators

And Assault Weapons ban, ammunition sales ban along with other gun rights issues are being challenged in court as we speak (See page 2 for current 9th Circuit cases) - https://crpa.org/news/litigation/november-court-report/


youre right about media coverage. please show some laws that have been reversed, not just challenged in court. heller vs. d.c. is one.
 
the Virginia governor is going to pass registration of all ar15 type guns, no grandfathering.
We don't know that that will be the outcome. I would say that there's a 25% chance there will be no AWB at all, a 50% chance of a prospective AWB with grandfathering and no registration (like the 1994-2004 federal ban), a 25% chance of grandfathering with registration, and no chance at all of a complete AWB with no grandfathering (the governor has already backed away from that).
This way he will know who has them when confiscation becomes law. you won't be able to sell them or transfer them out of state without proper FFL paperwork, so brother-in-law in next state can't help.
I agree that the only purpose of registration would be to facilitate a later outlawing. (That's the strongest argument against it.) But, the legislature would have to revisit the issue in order to outlaw the guns. They can't do it suddenly. You would be able to move the guns out of state. This could be done either by moving yourself to the other state, or placing the guns in storage there. As long as you still own the guns (and are the only one to have access to them), there is no "transfer" that would require the involvement of an FFL.

"Confiscation" implies that the government would take the guns, with or without compensation. The government doesn't have to "confiscate" (take the guns). It can simply declare them illegal (contraband), the way it did with bump stocks. And the same thing would happen to the guns as happened with bump stocks: they'll simply "disappear" never to be seen again.
 
I agree that the only purpose of registration would be to facilitate a later outlawing.
Bingo.

I have CA registered AW but when I die, I cannot transfer to my children unless I sell/transfer outside of CA (Good thing I have family in other states). So effectively, registered AWs inside CA will become outlawed as registered owners die off.

So registration equals gun ban.

This could be done either by moving yourself to the other state
Wife and I are regularly examining other states to move to and this option is still viable.
 
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One tactic the antis could use to "sell" a registration scheme would be to exempt registered guns from a future ban on transfers. You would therefore have a situation with "transferable" AWs, the same as we have now with "transferable" machine guns. This, combined with a prospective ban (a "Hughes Amendment" for semiautomatics) would mean that prices for registered, existing guns would go through the roof, resulting in a windfall for current owners. (I'm surprised that the gun-banners haven't suggested this, because it would divide gun owners.)
 
I attended one of the counties board of supervisors meeting last night (one of the wealthier counties) and they voted for the 2nd Amendment sanctuary by unanimous vote. Though it was very cold and windy, there had to be close to 2,000+/- supporters there! We must keep up the pressure to prevent many of these proposed laws from making it to the books. The state's senators, delegates, AG, and governor are starting to take notice. Also, don't forget about the rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. See VCDL.org for details.
 
Let's keep in mind that the AWB (the most controversial of the governor's antigun package) has the function of distracting attention from all the other items on his agenda. This may have been deliberately planned on his part. He can drop the AWB in exchange for having all the other items sail through the legislature (UBCs, "Red Flag," one-handgun-a-month, repeal of state preemption, making carry permits more difficult to obtain, etc.). The net result of all this would still be to set gun rights back a lot.
 
Please read the VCDL statement at
Important: VCDL statement about Lobby Day
Key information there:
Monday, January 20, is VCDL's Lobby Day. It is not VCDL's Protest Day.
Details on the laws affecting carry at the capitol
If you are asking how you can help with VCDL's mission, carrying long guns at Lobby Day is not helpful - it is a distraction.

Much more.
Thank you.
 
Some men are just not built right to attend a protest. They will give you their time and their money and their prayer and their goodwill (and mean it). They will leave their homes, county and country and get down to business with you on a battlefield but they are not going to attend a protest.
 
It will be for the people to decide.

If town hall meetings in Virginia is an indication, they are speaking loudly for their rights.

Bedford County becomes a Second Amendment sanctuary


BTW, here's a good review of VA gun control bills that could be knocking on others states soon (No more hiding in free states) - Virginia turns Anti-Gun overnight with Bloomberg – Waste no time with gun confiscation SB16,18,64

Virginia Gun Control Bills | What You Need to Know

12/14/19 Update: Does the Boogaloo Begin in Virginia?
That black guy in the middle link hit the nail right on the head. WE have been our own worst enemy by not getting out the vote or solely relying on the NRA to run some ads.
 
VCDL is very experienced and their guidance should be heeded.

Monday, January 20, is VCDL's Lobby Day. It is not VCDL's Protest Day.

There is a distinct difference between the two.

Lobby Day is about, well, lobbying - sending a message to the General Assembly and to the Governor, Attorney General, and the Lt. Governor. That message is simple: no more gun control that in any way, shape, or form negatively affects law-abiding gun owners. Bills that go after criminals or bills that are beneficial to gun owners are fine.

While there have been some verbal threats by the Democrat leadership to push major gun control down the throats of Virginia's gun owners and some very bad bills already filed to back up that threat, NOTHING has happened yet and won't until after January 8. And perhaps it won't happen at all, if we press hard enough.

The sanctuary movement, with its absolutely massive turnouts of gun owners, is sending a deafening message to lawmakers ahead of Lobby Day. On top of that, we now believe the size of the crowd on Lobby Day could be absolutely incredible, possibly historic, if gun owners from around the state follow through and attend as we believe they will. You will absolutely want to be a part of this!


Militias

Various militia groups from Virginia and nearby states have graciously volunteered to provide security. With a large Capitol, Richmond, and State police presence, not to mention enough citizens armed with handguns to take over a modern mid-sized country, we have the security base covered nicely. That said, we welcome our militia brothers and sisters to be part of making the day a success! Some militia groups are looking to take canned food donations during Lobby Day and deliver them to a Richmond Food Bank.


Long Guns

If you are asking how you can help with VCDL's mission, carrying long guns at Lobby Day is not helpful - it is a distraction. VCDL's important messages inevitably get lost as the press rushes to get pictures of anyone carrying an AR or AK. The stories then become about the rifle, not VCDL's agenda. You can set your watch by it. Long guns are not easy to carry in a crowd, either. VCDL needs its voice heard loud and clear in order to able to stop the onslaught of gun-control bills.


Laws you need to know for carry in Richmond

You can't have a magazine in a centerfire rifle or pistol that holds more than 20 rounds unless you have a Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP). You must also have a CHP if the centerfire rifle or pistol has a threaded barrel or a folding stock. Click here to see the code section, which also covers similar restrictions on shotguns: 18.2-287.4

Open carry without a CHP is legal in Virginia, but watch the restrictions in the previous paragraph.

You need a CHP to carry in the General Assembly or Capitol Building. Once through security, you can carry openly or concealed in the buildings. You cannot carry in the gallery over the Senator Floor. Keep an eye on these alerts. Should any of this change, we will notify you here.


VCDL Lobby Day is a peaceful event about gun rights and NOTHING ELSE

We are NOT there to have arguments with the other side. They lobby, we lobby, and never the two shall meet. Just ignore them.

And we are not there to push any other agenda. Our total focus is on protecting our right to keep and bear arms. Period. This is not about flags, statues, history, etc. Just guns.

If you somehow find yourself being harassed by the other side, don't engage them. They could well be baiting you and recording what you do for propaganda purposes. If necessary, go find a police officer and let them take care of the person causing the disturbance. Otherwise, just ignore them and go about your business.


VCDL has a great relationship with the Capitol Police, the Richmond Police, the Virginia State Police, and most other law enforcement agencies in the Commonwealth. We welcome their presence and are glad they are there to keep everything peaceful, while we work on the job at hand.

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This should be a great event, with freedom-loving Americans from all walks of life standing should-to-should to protect our most precious civil right - the right of self-defense. See you there!
 
Another opportunity for those that can afford it is to pay for seats on the buses for others.

I'm not even a VA resident and I'm paying for 3 seats so folks can make the trip easier.

Buses


1. VCDL BUS CHARTERS TO LOBBY DAY
VCDL is chartering buses to Lobby Day on January 20. All seats are $35. All depart Richmond at 2 PM. Sign up through Eventbrite; all signups are now live (as of Dec 12).

A donation of $35/person will *just* cover costs for the nine buses. If you want to donate more, please do. If you want to buy seats for others, please do. If you prefer to make a donation via PayPal (see vcdl.org/donate/pp) you may do so, but you will still need your Eventbrite ticket if you wish to ride the bus..

To donate a seat for another rider, use this link: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/donate-a-seat-on-a-bus-for-lobby-day-jan-20-2020-tickets-85874911171
If you want to pay by check, mail it to VCDL Treasurer, 19390 Beaver Dam Rd, Beaverdam, VA 23015-1350 - but you'll still need your Eventbrite ticket if you wish to ride.

Direct questions, if any, to [email protected]

Buses will run from
- Roanoke - Roanoke Park and Ride -- Route 1150 (Edgebrook Road) & Route 1128 (Mountain Heights Drive)
Departs 4:30 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85445575015


- Shenandoah Valley with pickups in New Market, Woodstock, and Harrisonburg
Departs Woodstock WalMart Supercenter 461 W. Reservoir Rd at 3:30 AM
Departs New Market Library 57 E Lee Hwy (subject to change if we find a better spot) at 4:00 AM
Departs Harrisonburg WalMart 171 Burgess Rd at 4:30 AM
Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85421476937


- Fairfax (2 buses)
- From Fairfax County Government Center Park & Ride
12000 Government Center Parkway, Fairfax
Departs 5:30 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85363417279

- Fredericksburg
Leaves Route 17 Commuter Lot
Departs 6:30 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85418917281

- Virginia Beach (2 buses)
Leaves Indian River Road Park & Ride 977 Reon Dr, Virginia Beach
Departs 5 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85429234139

- Norfolk
Leaves from WalMart 7530 Tidewater Drive
Departs 5:15 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85425462859

- Hampton.
- From Hampton Coliseum, 1000 Coliseum Drive
Departs 5:30 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/85392538381

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Rocky Mount
Leaves from Park and Ride at 395 Old Franklin Turnpike, Rocky Mount
Departs 4 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/lobby-day-bus-rocky-mount-tickets-86752333565


- Williamsburg
Leaves from Croaker Road Park and Ride, 4370 Rochambeau Dr

Departs 6:00 AM Leaves Richmond at 2 PM
Signup: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/86563958129


2. OTHER BUSES WE KNOW OF


CULPEPER/WARRENTON: Hosted by Rivenoak Armoury LLC. Details at https://www.facebook.com/events/444206749612034/ or https://www.eventbrite.com/e/vcdl-lobby-day-bus-ride-culpeperwarrenton-area-tickets-85780897975

DRAPER (Pulaski County): New River Sports is chartering a bus that leaves from their location, 3376 Kirby Rd (Frontage Rd) Draper, VA at 3:30 AM. Cost is $50/rider. Contact [email protected] or 540-980-1133.



ELKTON: Scott Painter with Blue Ridge Outdoors in Elkton, VA has offered to help sponsor a trip arranged by Travis Knight. There is a signup sheet at his store location, and payments can be made there as well. $30/person.

LYNCHBURG: SafeSide Tactical has a bus that starts in Roanoke. All riders get a free “shall not be infringed” T-shirt (graphics coming soon) and over $150 in coupons from area retailers.

Lynchburg Bus - $35 leaves SafeSide Lynchburg @ 5am https://www.safesidetactical.com/rangemanagement/classdetail.cfm?class_id=2297

Seat sponsor - $35 and we’ll find someone to go who is available. https://www.safesidetactical.com/rangemanagement/classdetail.cfm?class_id=2296


MANASSAS: Fairfax County Rod and Gun Club is planning two buses from Manassas. Details as we learn them.


ROANOKE: SafeSide Tactical has a bus. All riders get a free “shall not be infringed” T-shirt (graphics coming soon) and over $150 in coupons from area retailers. -
Roanoke bus - $35 leaves SafeSide Roanoke @ 4:30am https://www.safesidetactical.com/rangemanagement/classdetail.cfm?class_id=2295
Seat sponsor - $35 and we’ll find someone to go who is available. https://www.safesidetactical.com/rangemanagement/classdetail.cfm?class_id=2296



SHENANDOAH COUNTY: Shenandoah County GOP has two buses coming. They leave from Woodstock at 6:30 AM and will not arrive in time for an 0800 start. See their event here They plan to be in Richmond by 0900 and their people will be meeting with Delegate Todd Gilbert. POC is Dianne Wyss, email [email protected].



SOUTHAMPTON: Bus from Southampton County leaves from Hardee's on Highway 58, Courtland. Seats are $21/person. Leaves 6AM sharp; returns to Courtland about 4PM. Seats are limited and must be paid in full as soon as possible. If interested in going or have questions, contact Mike Evans at 757-615-8077. The bus will drop off and pick up directly at the Capitol Steps.



SMITHFIELD: “The Constitutional County of Isle of Wight” has secured a 55 seat Nbus leaving the Smithfield Commuter Parking Lot, RT 258 & RT 10 at 6 AM sharp going to Lobby Day and returning to the lot at 4 PM on 1/20/20. Cost is $20 NO REFUNDS

Sign up at: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/bus-charter-from-commuter-parking-lot-smithfield-va-to-lobby-day-event-tickets-86377835431?aff=utm_source=eb_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new_event_email&utm_term=eventurl_text




STAUNTON: The plan is to leave Staunton (location TBD) at 6:00 a.m., and be back home about 5:00 p.m.
Cost will be $25/seat, and payment to me will be due by January, 10. Anyone wishing to be on board, can contact me at [email protected] for more information. Please put LOBBY DAY BUS in the subject line. Depending on the response I get, it may take me a couple days to get back to everyone, so be patient.


SW VIRGINIA: Stephanie Miller Moir has charted four buses from Bedford - Tractor Supply 5:00 am; Lynchburg - Sam's Club 5:30 am; Appomattox - Farmers Bank 6:00 am; Farmville - Walmart 6:30. Sign up for that bus at https://tinyurl.com/s8nc2b2. Fare is $35 plus an online booking fee per seat.


WARREN COUNTY: James Scholtz, President, Virginia Natives, is working out the final details on the buses from Warren County. People can send emails to [email protected] - and include :

Name

Address

Phone number

How many passengers



WEYERS CAVE - We've heard of a potential bus from Weyers Cave; we'll update as we know more.

WINCHESTER: CK3 Guns in Stephens City will be sponsoring a bus. Departing Winchester and making a stop in Front Royal. Tickets are $35/seat.

Current itinerary:

Depart 20-Jan-2020 4:30 AM Solenbergers & Co. Inc 832 Berryville Ave Winchester , VA

Depart 20-Jan-2020 5:00 AM Front Royal Park and Ride Winchester Road Front Royal, VA 22630

Drop Off 20-Jan-2020 7:30 AM Richmond State Capitol 1000 Bank St Richmond, VA


Depart 20-Jan-2020 2:00 PM Richmond State Capitol 1000 Bank St Richmond, VA

Drop Off 20-Jan-2020 4:45 PM Front Royal Park and Ride Winchester Road Front Royal, VA 22630

Drop Off 20-Jan-2020 5:15 PM Solenbergers & Co. Inc 832 Berryville Ave Winchester , VA

SIGN UP: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/vcdl-l...erfront-royal-to-richmond-tickets-86380310835

Questions? Email Chuck Klingenberg at [email protected]
 
VCDL is very experienced and their guidance should be heeded.



I dont think we'll have to worry about VCDL members or other like minded folks, it's the folks that we keep hearing about online (AR15) that could be a problem.

This is the first of that site I've heard (I know behind the times) but I'm going to take a look and see exactly what they're proposing.
 
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