Outlaw Nerf Guns?

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December 3, 2019

Brian D. Goldner, Chairman of the Board and CEO Edward M. Philip Kenneth A. Bronfin Michael Burns Hope Cochran Sir Crispin Davis John A. Frascotti Lisa Gersh Alan G. Hassenfeld Tracy A. Leinbach Richard S. Stoddart Mary Beth West Linda K. Zecher

Dear Hasbro Board of Directors:

As the holidays approach, we are reminded of our mission to protect the safety of children. As we watch holiday toy commercials, we see the Nerf Ultra One and other extreme Nerf machine guns for children and are reminded of mass shootings that have devastated American children and families for decades now. In these times, the TV ad for this product plays like a Saturday Night Live parody, except that it is not at all funny. https://www.ispot.tv/ad/Zw7R/nerf-holiday-gifts?fbclid=IwAR0Kc6_uZsD-DoQyKtSFmj25ZSONxOGpazmxatOnY4T1wtd2-KSWO0CpBP0 Toy guns are one thing, but these emblems of mass destruction take them to the next, horrifying level.

Hasbro’s stated mission is “to create the best play and entertainment experiences. The best play and entertainment experiences stand apart from anyone else’s and deliver joy, creativity and connection around the world and across generations.” Also from your website, “Hasbro is committed to making the world a better place for children and their families through corporate social responsibility and philanthropy.”
And this … “At Hasbro, we play with purpose. We are using our business as a force for good and building a safer, more sustainable and inclusive company and world for all.”

Your human rights statement says you aim to protect children’s human rights, wellbeing and dignity.
When your products themselves violate most of your proclaimed corporate values, something is very wrong. How does promoting play with huge automatic weapons create joy, creativity and connection around the world, and across generations, and make the world a better place for children? How do these weapon products use your business as a force for good? Who would this child be shooting with his cache of assault weapons? In one of the most creative industries on earth, how does one of the country’s largest toy producers fall so short in coming up with innovative toys that spark the peace-filled imaginations of children? If your research shows that children are craving toy assault weapons, you have missed the mark. Parents will tell you that many are afraid of going to school because of the stories they see and hear when a school shooting occurs. Surely, those of you who are parents understand.

Corporate social responsibility is not a slogan; it is what calls you to raise the bar in the interests of children and become a source for the non-violent creative playthings children deserve. Marketing assault weapon toys to this most vulnerable group of consumers is an assault on their dignity and their worth as human beings. We implore you to remove assault-style toy weapons from your product offering. Social responsibility asks for a connection between the hearts of board members and the people who generate their profits, in this case, the children. Be responsible to these children; be leaders on this issue your shareholders will thank you.

Sincerely,

Judy Braiman, President Carol Chittenden, Director
Empire State Consumer Project [email protected] 585-831-7124

Empire State Consumer Project, Inc. (ESCP) is a registered 501c3 Not-for-Profit Organization dedicated to reducing the use of unsafe products and chemicals toxic to human and environmental health. We accomplish this by educating consumers and industry, conducting product testing and reporting, and by advocating for regulation where needed to protect the public interest. ESCP is represented by Joel Kupferman, Esq., NY Environmental Law & Justice Project, [email protected]
 
Back in the 50s, when I was growing up with toy guns, there was similar mindsets from folks that thought that kids like me, playing with toy guns would grow up to be mass murderers. Same with violence on T.V. like Gunsmoke, Have Gun Will Travel, Dead or Alive, etc.. Made about as much sense back then as the letter above does now. Grew up with kids and watched my kids grow up kids who's folks had that mindset and would not buy toy guns for them. Those kids would pick up a stick or anything else with a remotely similar gun shape and use it as a "toy" gun. Our imagination is not what makes us criminals, it's the ethics and morality we are raised in. It's those who put no value on the lives of others that is the problem.....not Nerf guns.
 
It's sound policy if your aim is to remove the rituals and activities surrounding guns and gun culture. That is the long term goal. Attacking children's toys will help undermine the legitimacy of gun ownership and use and portray guns negatively, like smoking is portrayed negatively. Evil dirty smokers. Evil dirty gun owners. The gun manufacturers and dealers, seedy people profiting from death and misery of others. New taxes and regs will then meet less resistance and even be lauded.
 
the two 460s nailed it.
I also grew up with toy machine guns, rocket launchers, cap guns, military toys, bows, arrows and almost any destructive device a kid could want.
We watched hero war movies, bad azz westerns, Combat, John Wayne, and countless other good and bad gunners. Sunday mornings was the 3-Stooges for 3 hours. I think I turned out ok.

The real life action games today portray a lot more blood and guts than ever before. Considering how many millions of people play them, we don't seem to have millions of mass murderers. The internet and instant reporting of everything has made it seem that we are more violent but the truth is we
re on a downturn of total violent crimes. However, the MSM won't report that fact. I wish we had a way to create a media not dependent on the money from the billionaires from the left.

Up until the 70s, or so, if you heard it on the news, it was sure to be the truth. Cronkite, Rather, Brokaw, etc. They used to have our respect. Now, I have contempt for 98% of the media people and networks. That has proven to be the biggest downfall in regards to the attitude of our nation. The media and the money behind their "news". Fix that and we'll get back on track. I have no idea how we can get an "honest" news reporting station to broadcast, though,
 
Up until the 70s, or so, if you heard it on the news, it was sure to be the truth. Cronkite, Rather, Brokaw, etc. They used to have our respect. Now, I have contempt for 98% of the media people and networks. That has proven to be the biggest downfall in regards to the attitude of our nation. The media and the money behind their "news". Fix that and we'll get back on track. I have no idea how we can get an "honest" news reporting station to broadcast, though,

I don't think it's necessarily that news is false, just how it is reported. IMHO, the constant, hour after hour of reporting on the same crime scene for days, along with constant pictures, descriptions and interviews with friends and family of the shooter, gives a way for folks who feel they have no purpose in life to get their 5 minutes of fame and go out with a bang. They want to go from being someone who no body notices to a household name, even tho it is is a negative content. They think because of the intent media coverage, they are going down in history and will be remembered for something, even if it is in disgust.
 
Not disagreeing but to make a point, if the local big city news reports on a domestic shooting in a Walmart parking lot and no one is hurt, they make it look like another active shooter at Walmart but if a local citizen fends off a home invader or two with his AR15 it somehow misses the nightly news. You are right about the constant pictures and updates but where is the accolades for the good guys and civilian heroes? Why no live shots from the homeowner who shot 3 thugs who were in his house? Why no updates when a woman fends off a carjacking with her legal carry pistol? If you do see it, it's buried, not the headlines.

I guess my beef is with what they report and how they report it with the station's bias, not the actual truth.
 
I cut my cable wire and TV wire about 10 years ago. It is amazing that my heartburn stopped almost immediately. I get my data and news from a computer/not so smartphone and can think and choose what to pay attention to. My biggest priority is the upcoming weather. ;) Even the 2A is being demonized at every turn. I will leave the gossiping and infighting to those poor souls that don't have a life.:cool: We as a nation have let the .Gov teach our children for us without our guidance for too long and this is what they reap IMHO. So sad.:uhoh: This organization probably thinks it has the children's best interests at heart but I bet a lot of us see it as another episode of sky screaming to move their agenda.
 
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Hilarious stuff, really. Ask them about other "gateway" issue that have to be banned or prohibited. You'll be lucky to only be called a troglodyte.

Even if you give boys no "war' or "weapon" toys at all, it will be only minutes before at least one boy will invent a weapon and begin play with it. It's something inherent in boys--which causes consternation among sociologists, but is settled science among clinical psychologists. Go figure.

Science has long shown that there is some overlap between the sexes; but you can make sex-based generalizations that will be 60% correct. Not coin-toss 50/50, but not a great difference. At least in the middle of the bell curve. But, as soon as you get beyond the body of the bell curve, the greater the differences become.

And no amount of virtue signalling can undo that.
 
Never liked Nerf guns simply because it's stupid gun etiquette to teach a child see how much fun it is to shoot at each other!
Toys are OK in my book as toys but for learning I'd rather my kid shot an air rifle or .22 pistol---real guns with real consequences, please.
 
I don't think it's necessarily that news is false, just how it is reported. IMHO, the constant, hour after hour of reporting on the same crime scene for days, along with constant pictures, descriptions and interviews with friends and family of the shooter, gives a way for folks who feel they have no purpose in life to get their 5 minutes of fame and go out with a bang. They want to go from being someone who no body notices to a household name, even tho it is is a negative content. They think because of the intent media coverage, they are going down in history and will be remembered for something, even if it is in disgust.

I wish I could remember what it is, but I think there is an actual term for lying by telling the truth
 
At work we have regular Nerf wars to break the stress. Never know when you going to hit a ambush going down the hall. Many are modified with heavy springs and other hacks to take them up a level or two. Can't say why anyone would want to outlaw what is so much fun. Love shooting people in the back.
 
"Empire State Consumer Project, Inc. (ESCP) is a registered 501c3 Not-for-Profit Organization dedicated to reducing the use of unsafe products and chemicals toxic to human and environmental health. We accomplish this by educating consumers and industry, conducting product testing and reporting, and by advocating for regulation where needed to protect the public interest."

Sounds like they're way outside their mission statement and have entered into politics. They should re-evaluate their not-for-profit status.
 
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You know what saves lives?

Being a parent rather than JUST having kids...……...
Teaching your kids pretend vs reality...…………. whether it be on the tv, a video game, or some other media...…………….
Teaching kids that while pretend violence makes for exciting play, real violence is never an effective or acceptable solution to a problem in real life...……………...
Teaching kids that they should stick up for each other when someone is being picked on or persecuted...………..
Teach them to turn the other cheek...…………..
Teaching kids about the value of life...………… ALL life...………….
Teaching kids that emotions happen, and that they need to find a healthy way to deal with anger...………….
Teaching kids that they can talk to their parents, and not get blown off because of what's happening on their parent's phone...……….
Teaching kids that real people in their lives are more important than what's happening on the internet, or on a video game...………..
Teaching kids that it's ok to be themselves, and they don't need to worry so much about being liked or popular...…………..
Not stigmatizing people with mental health problems...……………..
Reaching out to people who seem depressed, sometimes in a very strong way to get them to interact and understand they are valued...…………..
Not treating suicide like a taboo topic because it's a growing problem, and that tells you something about our societal problems...………
Teaching kids and inexperienced adults the realities about guns, and helping them understand they need to be treated with respect...……….
Teaching people that your own safety is your responsibility...…………..
There's a bunch more to be listed, but who has the time?

You know what doesn't save lives? Trying to take away a bunch of silly toys. For as long as the apposable thumb has existed, humans and our ancestors where using it for what it is, a tool to procure resources, mates, territory, water, and anything else we need. Part of that has always been bashing someone's head in to procure what they have. This isn't a new idea. Whether we have violent media or not, this is an ingrained possible solution to resource needs in the human instinctual lineup. Kids are not in control of their emotions, they desire excitement and violence is exciting. There's no denying it. VIOLENCE is an inherently exciting idea, because you just don't know what might happen. That doesn't make it a good thing. Not at all. And yet we have professional boxing. We have UFC matches. Wrestling, and fencing are sports too. Human history is BASED on violent events of one kind or another. As long as we continue teaching history in schools, and having war memorials, and celebrate our veterans dedication to protecting our collective freedoms, then violence will be part of our culture and part of the human condition. Kids will always play at being adults, and play at exciting things. That's the way it is.

Take away Nerf guns and they will be replaced by something else. When I was a kid we played with sticks in the field and forest near by. Later our parents bought us water guns. What fun! And later yet when we were closer to 9 or 10 we did in fact have Nerf guns. We would have full on Nerf wars around the neighborhood. We would run our rear ends off shooting harmless foam darts, and arrows, and balls at each other. It was great fun, great exercise, and low and behold, we understood it was a game. None of us grew up to be mass murderers.

Fantasy and reality are two different things. Parents define the importance and the difference for their kids. Be a parent, don't just have kids.

Apologies for the soap box, but I have strong feelings about this. I played all kinds of violent video games, and run and gun games with my childhood friends. I was taught right from wrong. Blaming inanimate objects for behavior is absolutely absurd.
 
From a pro-gun perspective, a case can be made for the outlawing of toy guns. Basically, it's that kids being conditioned with toy guns won't take real guns seriously enough. Training with real guns should supplant play with toy guns. The message is that guns are not playthings.
 
AA, although I appreciate your message the facts remain that for all these years, we played with toy guns and know the difference.
I bet every poster in this thread played with toy guns and shot our siblings, parents, bad guys, etc. We all turned out ok with the ability to tell
right from wrong. It is more a parental thing than a societal issue, IMO.

Parents can and do teach responsible handling of knives, scissors, burners on stoves, matches, etc. It's a part of growing up. Other parents teach their kids how to steal, lie, cheat, abuse, etc. I'm sure more than one cop hater had a parent who taught them, from day 1, that the police are the enemy.
Some people should not raise kids.....
 
In my opinion, the decision to do violence with a tool, such as a firearm, is separate from owning one, shooting one, or playing with gun toys.
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I played all kinds of violent video games, and run and gun games with my childhood friends. I was taught right from wrong. Blaming inanimate objects for behavior is absolutely absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Logs
With as many kids that grew up playing with the Lincoln Logs they got for Christmas' in the past 100 years, it's a wonder we aren't a nation of carpenters and house builders.:D
 
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