AWB '94 vs VA 2020

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Now progressives believe it is their right to take our guns.
Well, many people also thought women and blacks shouldn't vote either but the Bill of Rights amendments changed that. The framers initially thought the Second Amendment was not needed but later added as they probably found it "necessary" to ensure the First Amendment.

So just as minority civil rights will stand against majority's desire with courts backing, so will minority gun owners' rights stand against majority's desire for gun ban. I believe gun rights/2A should be the next civil rights movement for this country - https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/28/gun-rights-are-a-civil-rights-issue/

People are just fed up with the constant erosion of our rights
That is a true statement of many gun owners.
 
The internet happened.

THIS!

The Government largely got away without being held accountable with Ruby Ridge and Waco because they controlled the information that was released by a willing anti-gun media.

The Internet and cell phone technology has changed that dramatically.

Just as ringing the church tower bell in a small community would turn the people out to fight a fire now the Internet, Twitter and Facebook do the same thing.

Plus with camera technology it is very easy to document police actions.

To answer your questions about the 1990’s tensions were very high. Even back then the Government convincing people that a unarmed mother holding her baby while standing in the doorway of her cabin was a threat to anyone was a tough sell. While the death of some BATF agents was unfortunate Waco was a publicity stunt gone bad.

There are many individuals that started stockpiling guns and ammunition. It just as widespread as today. President Clinton to his credit recognized the danger of continuing to pursue police raids against armed citizens. Instead Clinton wisely chose to govern by passing ant-gun laws with the help of RINO’s in Congress.

There are a lot of other reasons for the political situations today but history shows a clear map of how we got here.
 
-Internet
In 1994 people wrote letters to the editor of their local newspaper. Now there’s an actual online community. People don’t feel isolated now the way they did then.
We all know now that the left is actively and openly suppressing conservative speech.
At the micro, local level, if I want to voice my opinion publicly, I have two choices. I can write a letter to the editor of the local paper, or I can post in Craigslist Rants and Raves.

I have written a couple of thoughtful and reasonable letters to the editor of my local paper advocating conservative thought and gun rights. They were never published.

Every post on the local Craigslist that has ANY conservative content is flagged and removed within an hour. My local communities are controlled by the two large universities and VERY progressive. Any attempt at reasonable debate or espousing of conservative thought is suppressed and threatened by violence.
 
The internet raised awareness and allows people to communicate more freely.
The left has shown their hand.
People have realized that most politicians will sell them out for personal gain without blinking.
25 years ago, most people still somewhat trusted their government.
 
The seventeenth amendment passed in 1912 and took the power of the senate away from the states and gave the power to the senators under a federal structure. No longer were they beholding to the states.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The 17th amendment actually made Senators more accountable to the people. Prior to 1912, state legislatures selected who would be US Senators for their respective states. To be fair, those state legislators were elected, so there was some indirect participation of the people in the process, but the founding fathers designed the US Senate after Britain's House of Lords; their job was to look after the interests of the wealthy and the landed class. The 17th amendment changed that and made Senators directly accountable to the voters-less so than are Representatives, due to the six year-term in the Senate vs the two-year term in the House, but accountable none the less-if voters can remember what happened six years ago and vote accordingly.
 
The difference is in the prospective vs. retrospective nature of the ban, and its scope. The '94 federal ban was "tolerable" because it didn't affect existing ownership. Anyone could still get an AR-15, except that he would have to pay a little more for a "pre-ban" model, or settle for a gun that lacked certain features such as a bayonet lug or flash hider. And remember that far fewer people owned such things in the first place. Nevertheless, the ban cost the Democrats control of Congress in the '94 elections.

Today, in Virginia, the antis are pushing this thing to the limit. They would have been smarter to take it one step at a time.

The '94 ban actually seemed like a good strategy for them. Nobody had these rifles, aside from a small group of competitors and collectors. Nobody much wanted them. Who would defend them? The anti-gunners, smarting from their defeated attempts to ban Saturday Night Specials and restrict handguns, and set up a national registration, could win one.

Flush with their victory, they had a reasonable hope of banning more.

They didn't anticipate they'd fuel a desire. When I ask many of the AR owners why, their answer is often because I still can, which as far as I'm concerned is legitimate. The AR and similar rifles have begun to show up occasionally in crime, where it was rare before. Criminals, it seems, use the media for firearms education.

For my general use, since I'm more likely to pop a squirrel than go to war, I wouldn't trade my low wall 32 WCF for an AR. But I don't kid myself, when the AR becomes illegal, it's only a matter of time before they come for my antique single shot.

It's not that I'm categorically against compromise. It's just that I believe the first compromise, as a show of good faith ought to be a Democratic support of national reciprocity for concealed carry.
 
We all know now that the left is actively and openly suppressing conservative speech.
At the micro, local level, if I want to voice my opinion publicly, I have two choices. I can write a letter to the editor of the local paper, or I can post in Craigslist Rants and Raves.

I have written a couple of thoughtful and reasonable letters to the editor of my local paper advocating conservative thought and gun rights. They were never published.

Every post on the local Craigslist that has ANY conservative content is flagged and removed within an hour. My local communities are controlled by the two large universities and VERY progressive. Any attempt at reasonable debate or espousing of conservative thought is suppressed and threatened by violence.
I was talking about what it was like in the 1990’s and before.

Now no one reads the comments to the editor of the local newspaper because newspapers are dying.

Yahoo, YouTube, Twitter and other corporate news companies delete conservative comments in droves and new comments just take their place a couple mins later. Same with any other news site. Despite their best efforts word is getting out.

Lots of places to post comments. Any sports or hobby sites feature an avalanche of such comments.

If you’re still writing letters to the editor you’re doing it wrong.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The 17th amendment actually made Senators more accountable to the people. Prior to 1912, state legislatures selected who would be US Senators for their respective states. To be fair, those state legislators were elected, so there was some indirect participation of the people in the process, but the founding fathers designed the US Senate after Britain's House of Lords; their job was to look after the interests of the wealthy and the landed class. The 17th amendment changed that and made Senators directly accountable to the voters-less so than are Representatives, due to the six year-term in the Senate vs the two-year term in the House, but accountable none the less-if voters can remember what happened six years ago and vote accordingly.

The House was supposed to be accountable to the people, the Senate to the state. The 17th amendment threw a monkey wrench into that political power structure in which state entities actually held some power against the federal government.
 
So I didn't know where to ask this so I'll try here. I won't be surprised if it gets merged into somewhere else.

In thinking about the many comments here (and I don't even want to think about what's going on over at AR.com) that seem to allude to an inevitability of violence regarding the current events in Virginia, I have to ask was this an issue in 1994 with the federal Assault Weapons Ban?

We were dangerously close to going hot in the 90's.

Most people did not know it, but it was there.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The 17th amendment actually made Senators more accountable to the people. Prior to 1912, state legislatures selected who would be US Senators for their respective states. To be fair, those state legislators were elected, so there was some indirect participation of the people in the process, but the founding fathers designed the US Senate after Britain's House of Lords; their job was to look after the interests of the wealthy and the landed class. The 17th amendment changed that and made Senators directly accountable to the voters-less so than are Representatives, due to the six year-term in the Senate vs the two-year term in the House, but accountable none the less-if voters can remember what happened six years ago and vote accordingly.

I respectfully disagree.

The Founders did indeed draw from the House of Lords, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. While they were revolutionaries, not rejectionaries; when an adversary actually had a good idea they adopted it rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The House was supposed to represent the People and the Senate was supposed to represent the States. This is important because right now the States have no real representation. This is why you often see states suing the Federal government: it is their only recourse. That did not used to happen.

If the States could be represented in the Federal government then a LOT of really bad laws would not be passed. The States would not allow their Senators to pass laws that forcibly told States what they could do. For example a Federal law that threatens to withhold Federal education funds unless the State implements a law or policy that they do not want to would never get passed.

Because of the 17th the Federal government can force a lot of unpopular laws down the throats of the States.
 
...I believe the first compromise, as a show of good faith ought to be a Democratic support of national reciprocity for concealed carry.

"Compromise" is like negotiating a car purchase. Both sides walk away with some of what they wanted and neither side gets all of what they wanted. You never give something for nothing.
 
I respectfully disagree.

The Founders did indeed draw from the House of Lords, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. While they were revolutionaries, not rejectionaries; when an adversary actually had a good idea they adopted it rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The House was supposed to represent the People and the Senate was supposed to represent the States. This is important because right now the States have no real representation. This is why you often see states suing the Federal government: it is their only recourse. That did not used to happen.

If the States could be represented in the Federal government then a LOT of really bad laws would not be passed. The States would not allow their Senators to pass laws that forcibly told States what they could do. For example a Federal law that threatens to withhold Federal education funds unless the State implements a law or policy that they do not want to would never get passed.

Because of the 17th the Federal government can force a lot of unpopular laws down the throats of the States.


Those are good arguments. I hadn't really thought if it in that narrative before.
 
In thinking about the many comments here (and I don't even want to think about what's going on over at AR.com) that seem to allude to an inevitability of violence regarding the current events in Virginia, I have to ask was this an issue in 1994 with the federal Assault Weapons Ban? If not (I seem to think it was not), then what has changed? Why is the thought so prevalent now? Why wasn't this thought so prevalent when California and other states introduced gun restrictions? (I don't recall anyone ready to storm the Winter Palace over the bullet button a few years back.)

Same undercurrent then as now, only more pronounced today because 10 minutes on bing will reveal a bunch of very sick Jeff Epstein's run the world and want your guns, your meat, your carbon taxes, your organs, and your childrens minds.
 
The push back is going to be exponentially bigger in the next election cycle.This time the "other side" is going after anything semi auto at a minimum. Now those lowly .22 rifles, Remmy 7400's,1170's, Garand's , and almost half of the handguns owned are now in the cross hairs for removal. A LOT of those that said they had no use for "assault weapons" now find their deer rifle/shotgun, and SD pistol are in danger of being outlawed. The mob is quite angry to say the least, and it is a MUCH bigger and better informed group than those that were affected/inconvenienced in 1994. I personally know of 6 people that have never bothered to vote that own firearms and are going to register and vote just to stop this stuff. I bet I am not the only one that is seeing this happen either.
 
The double edged sword is a true statement. However, if you (those that have Facebook/Twitter) take the time to post video evidence of our arguments, then you can and ARE turning the tide. If look at YouTube for more than funny cat, fails of the week, and music videos, you will find all the proof people need to wake up. If presented to those people and they still choose to be stupid, then there’s nothing that can be done. Because at that point, it’s not ignorance.
 
Those of you living in a state that wants to infringe upon your 2A rights have a choice. You can leave.

Contrast your freedoms with those who just happened to be caught on the wrong side of some line in the 1930's. You don't have to smuggle yourself out in a trunk. You don't have to hide your money in the hem of your skirt. You don't have to pay someone to escort you the way across a border in the dark of night. You don't have to learn another language to convince someone you're not a Jew, or a Pole, or a Russian. You don't have to permit yourself to be raped and beaten just so that you can live one more day. You don't have to choose between being taken from your home to shoot the enemy, or be shot dead yourself where you stood leaving your now fatherless family to bury you. You don't have to find something to feed your children among the garbage others threw out.

As you walk in search of freedom, you don't have to walk around the dead and rotting bodies who could not endure even one more step on their journey.

My ancestors had to make all those choices. There are others they refused to discuss. If they didn't make them, I wouldn't be here.

God Bless America.
 
I have always believed that nearly all responsible gun owners are first and foremost law abiding citizens. When you ask why Virginia is happening now and why not other places in the past, I feel it has a lot to do with my first sentence. Most gun owners thought that unjust laws would eventually be overturned. That has not happened. More and more unjust laws get piled on. Criminals and unscrupulous politicians keep getting away with crime while we wait for something to go our way. Well, I think the wait is coming to an end and it probably won’t be pretty.
 
In 94---what you owned was grandfathered and there weren't outright threats of door to door confiscation.

There are A LOT more AR's, AK's, ect… in private hands these days----a tyrannical govt fears them even more now.

Communists/Socialists (aka Democrats)---need you disarmed to control you----an armed populace will tell them to pound sand when they come up with their insane ideas thinking they know better than you on how to live your life.

We are getting real close to a hot civil war if these "people" (I consider them sub-human) are not voted out in 2020.
 
The 17th Amendment was ill-conceived. We are (or used to be, anyway) a Republic. The federal government had limited and defined powers, all else reserved to the states. Senators were there to serve the interests of the state and served at the pleasure of the state legislature who might recall them at any time.

Then along comes the 17th, upends this and the state legislatures lose their representation at the federal level.

I have long argued that the farther we get from the original meaning and intent of the Framers, the deeper trouble we get into as a nation.
 
I was 12yo in '94 so I dont know anything about the AWB back then other than what I can research through the net or learn from other folks.

Its certainly worthwhile to try to interpret history and understand it but I think in regards to recent trends it's become too much of a focal point and a deferment of time better spent.

What's happening NOW is what matters and I personally feel theres a resurgence of awareness in regards to the govt and our cause. The reason for that I feel is due to the historical overreach of our govt. Certainly certain vessels like the internet have made this more widespread but it would've happened either way.

They didnt have the internet in the 17-1800's and a similar awareness was still present.
 
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