Terrorists probing security

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It's a scary proposition. Even if these "probes" of security measures don't ultimately lead to another 9-11, these people are still inflicting terror upon us.

Good article.
 
"There is a great degree of concern in the airline industry that not only are these dry runs for a terrorist attack, but that there is absolutely no defense capabilities on a vast majority of airlines," the second pilot said.
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There's the quote of the day.

After reading this, I wonder what I'd do if they got a bomb onto a flight I was on.. I already have a plan for knives.. and that's of course killing them all or dying trying... A bomb throws a whole new light onto the subject.

How possible is it that they could smuggle a bomb in parts onto the plane, and assemble correctly.. In other words, what are the odds that the bomb will fail?

Seems to me the only choice is to try and get the bomb from them, otherwise they'll just crash you into a building or get the plane shot down anyway...
 
After reading this story I'm not sure there is an upside to dealing with this kind of thing once they are on the plane. If the TSA will let 14-15 on one flight how many marshalls will it take to get control and can they do it in time.

The fact that they caught a guy trying to get into the cockpit via the bathroom wall just means to me there is no end to the determination of these evil people.

Of couse we all know there are alternatives to even letting them get on the plane...or the bad ones into the country...of if they can't be proved good citizens, staying here. It may not be easy to tell the good from the bad but no body promised us easy and that's no excuse for not trying to at least followup on the guys that are doing these tests. IMO. It's likely many of the guys invloved in the tests are not the traction teams for the real runs but they have to be getting results of their experiences out to the real crews somehow don't you think.

At any rate, the key is to specifically protect these flights and all flights somehow.

S-
 
Annie Jacobsen's original story about flight 327 and her follow up can be found here: http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/Home.aspx?titleid=1
There was a NY times article as well, but the free registration annoys me.

It sounds like a really bizzare situation; The flight attendants are scared to say anything to the suspicious people, who are trying to flush out the air marshals, who are waiting for an "incident" which won't happen because the flight attendants and passengers are waiting on the air marshals to act...
I thought the patriot act made it at least a minor felony not to obey orders of flight attendants and other cabin crew, particularly "get back in your seat"?
 
You know, what p*sses me off is that these people really have our number. They know that they can do all this stuff because we're so damn politically correct that there will be NO reprocussions from these actions because we might check one two many Middle-eastern men at a check area.

I haven't flown in a while, but maybe it's time for the PASSENGERS to start to DEMAND that rules be followed. They jump up, you get up and go to the loiterers and tell them to sit their @sses down.

I really hate seeing this crap go down and we're going to kill ourselves over it. But hey, at least we won't offend anyone!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
This kind of story is either:

A "plant" by .gov to keep us off balance and dependent on them for our "security", or

the truth, in which case it's only a matter of time before we are hit again, big time, in which case, how many dead American will there be before the left **** and we take the gloves off.

I don't trust the administration and I sure as hell don't trust the left.
 
Now it would seem that the guys on flight 327 were a real musical act, Nour Mehana, who played at Sycuan Casino & Resort, near San Diego, on 7/1/04. (http://www.donaldsensing.com/2004/07/flight-327s-syrian-band-identified.html)

Unfortunately, the whole thing is now being spun up as an election year partisan debate with lots o' mudslinging, and it's bound to get plenty wierd.


ETA: it's even on Snopes now.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

What's even worse is, Nour Mehana is being called "the Syrian Wayne Newton."
 
Yeah, its on Snopes as being false, although they admit that pretty much all of the details are true. The only detail they say is false is that they are terrorists.

Isn't it possible that the backup band was acting as a probe for a future attack?

I.G.B.
 
Well is snopes the final word on terrorism? (no flame intended)

I admit I have not checked out snopes but this story had more to it than the Band issue. What about the dude with the mirror in the washroom removed and the attempt to get into the cockpit via the washroom.

Did they address that in snopes?

Somehow I don't think this is all a .gov ploy to keep us scared.

JMHO

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selfdfenz,

Snopes is only dealing with the article written about the flight 327, since that story has grown legs, and is really moving.

Like I pointed out above, Snopes lists it as false, even though they agree that everything pointed out by the author is true. They also link to a sight that says there was probably something up, and that this isn't normal behaviour.

I think Snopes is just trying to prevent a panic rather than list it as undetermined.

Also, I think it is far to say that snopes has a little bit of a tilt to the left, if you catch my drift. Just something I have noticed from reading almost every page they have on their sight.

I.G.B.
 
I think it is very possible that snoops is correct is stating that that article is false, and that terrorists are still casing flights.

When I first read the article, I had my doubts on it. I would expect the terrorists to not get so many together just to case a flight. But that is my amateur opinion.
 
They jump up, you get up and go to the loiterers and tell them to sit their @sses down.
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I`m with Diggler on this. If I was on a flight with that stuff going on, I think I`d stand up and start polling the able bodied men around me seeking allies in case anything went down. If the terrorists are conducting probes, let them know that there are people on board willing to put up a fight.

If I was wrong, would I be embarrassed? Absolutely. But I`d rather be embarrassed then just sit there and die like a sheep if it was the real deal.
 
A second pilot said that, on one of his recent flights, an air marshal forced his way into the lavatory at the front of his plane after a man of Middle Eastern descent locked himself in for a long period.
The marshal found the mirror had been removed and the man was attempting to break through the wall. The cockpit was on the other side.
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And if this story is true, why the @#$% was the guy not taken into custody and charged (at least) with damage to property, endangering the safety of an aircraft, etc.?

:fire: :banghead: :cuss:
 
RileyMc wrote:

A "plant" by .gov to keep us off balance and dependent on them for our "security",
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:D

On a serious note... What kind of penalties would someone face for doing these sorts of things? I hope it's not just a slap on the wrist.
 
Wasn't Iraqs favorite "Wedding Singer" killed with other bg's on the Syrian border?
 
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