What will be the official "U.S. Space Force" gun?

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Didn't intend for this to devolve into science fiction movie prop recollections.

Thought the article brought up some interesting challenges about how guns in space would perform. While the Space Force was created to counter other governments presence in space, not sure where conventional weapons fit in.

Anyone read the article?
 
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I seriously thought this US Space Force was an internet hoax...I guess I was wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force

Since the Space Force is under the Air Force Secretary they should be using guns that are used in the Air Force.
Perhaps the M-18 handgun (compact M-17 Sig Sauer) and the GAU-5A Air Crew Self Defense Weapon.

Honestly, what more would they need?
 
Lack of gravity or gravity doesn't change velocity of the projectile. It changes trajectory.

Lack of atmospheric drag does. And since the bullet wouldn't be slowing nor would the gravitational pull be acting with much force then a slow big projectile would not lose speed nor altitude in space like on earth at all. That was my point. The bullet would exit the barrel at the same speed but would lose speed slower I believe. I believe the temperatures would be a bigger issue

ETA Been a while since school. I could be wrong.
 
The high velocity/small caliber idea sounds great on first blush, but if combat inside a vessel is at all possible I think going the opposite direction makes a lot more sense. You want to puncture humans, but not the material the ship is made of. A 5.7x28 round which is going fast enough to do the job will Swiss cheese your ship if you miss, and maybe even if you don't.

Something like a .38S&W soft lead bullet will do the job, while having much less chance of passing through structural materials or glass.
Holy smokes... we finally have a real use for Super Colibri ammo aside from just being stupid quiet and safe in ancient guns!!!
 
Ok so speaking honestly, considering every launch into space is still a crap your pants event where thousands of things can go wrong, the notion of conducting warfare in space seems totally silly.

However, in order to minimize the reactive force recoil would have on anyone, it seems a low recoiling, but highly destructive fast round would perhaps be a better choice. I'm thinking the 5.7x28 or even the FK-BRNO round that's supposed to hit 2000 fps from a pistol. However it seems the perceived recoil will be irrelevant compared to the thrust generated by the expanding gasses. So I think you're screwed either way, whether it be big and heavy or light and fast. Seems light and slow would be the only effective mitigation. And that's not what you want. So to be honest, I think any gun chosen will be pretty useless unless other measures are taken to keep a shooter in place. Of course it's been a long time since high school physics.We aren't going to see armed incursions of enemy space stations and such nonsense.

I think what we will see is enemy satellites being targeted, along with orbit to surface ordinance delivery. Maybe even targeted supply drops to soldiers on the ground.

What makes a lot more sense to me is drones capable of leaving a mother craft of some kind, and delivering enough of a barrage of projectiles to disable enemy vehicles or satellites. So I'd say pick something narrow and fast again, that maximizes capacity on those little buggers, give them a thrust capability tuned to deal with the recoil impulse of the guns, and choose a projectile type (monolithics) that can penetrate the hull or outer armor of enemy equipment. It will escalate of course, but I think to start, small and fast drones, carrying small caliber high velocity projectiles with a compensation mechanism is where we are going.

Sidearms? I really doubt there'd be a need. I mean wouldn't gunfire of any kind inside a spacecraft compromise the hull and basically lead to an explosive decompression?
 
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I think the Space Force's preferred weapons will involve stuff like electromagnetic pulse phenomena (nuclear and non-nuclear generated), particle beam weapons, high velocity kinetic energy (there's your bullets and/or shotgun pellets), and high-energy lasers. Probably also GPS spoofing and/or blocking, microwave and radio frequency jamming, and unmanned intercept and/or retrieval in orbit.

Very few, if any personnel, will ever find themselves in danger of direct action. Human technology is woefully inadequate to protect astronauts in space. Those guys will be sitting in their Fortresses of Solitude someplace working remotely. The only man portable weapons issued will be to the security forces at the gates.

If those guys ever realio, trulio find themselves called into action the war will probably be 4/5ths over before we are aware it had gotten started good.

Four different Global Positioning Satellite systems in orbit now, and maybe more coming. This to say nothing of what is probably a couple of hundred other active sattelites in orbit doing everything from surveillance to weather forecasting, every one of military value to a greater or lesser degree.

The next war between high-tech opponents will not resemble your Dad's war.
 
if fired inside, does overpenetration pose any unique risks in space?
Decompression for one ... :D

Damage to equipment/electronics is another ...

Weakening hull integrity / rupture is another ...

Escaping gas moving the space station/craft is another ...

Pissed off crew who almost got shot might be another ...

I think rubber/frangible bullets may be a good idea? They will subdue humans but not destroy hardware ;)
 
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if fired inside, does overpenetration pose any unique risks in space?

Inside what?

Some kind of craft with an artificial atmosphere to simulate earth where the inhabitants can live unassisted? No more risk than earth.

If on a ship or something where the individual is having to wear a suit to live and there is a vacuum? Then yes the bullet will not be slowed down upon exit and will keep traveling. That said, if that's the case then all you need to do is poke a hole in the other guys suit and he is toast anyway

"Space" is a vague term and a vast range of places
 
if fired inside, does overpenetration pose any unique risks in space?
Gases and fluids behave distinctly differently in microgravity. As do the particulates produced by combustion.

Further, the outside skin of spacecraft are often thinner than the sides of an aluminum beverage can. And, that skin is holding in the atmosphere, so, firearms operated inside a spacecraft is bit like being inside a balloon.

However, USSF is most likely to need firearms, at least for the foreseeable future, to protects terrestrial assets. Which suggests M-4, perhaps an M-590, and a smattering of M-240.
 
they could just hold out their finger, and say "pew pew, space force" like I do. I don't know - inside something that is in space I guess. one accidental discharge from electrostatic magetronitoniom as they pass through the west bank sun sphere band, and someone will have to file both a hurt feelings report and an actual incident report.
 
Regardless of what we think they “should” have, what they “will” have are Sig P320s. That’s if they are lucky; they’ll get clapped out Beretta M9s if they aren’t.

Why do you think that? Last I heard the USAF for instance had S&W M15, Beretta M9, Glock G19, Sig 228 and Sig 320 in inventory.
 
a drone pilot sitting on an air base in Nevada doesn't really need a loaded rifle with them as they do their job.

And there we have the reasonable answer based on the actual Space Force mission. For the foreseeable future Space Force will have no different mission than USAF Space Command has for the past several years. That involves a lot of sitting at consoles and terminals. Only the base security forces sorts would be expected to carry a weapon and it would be standard issue.
 
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Does Looney tunes have any of Marvin's weapons left over?

If this was serious, I would not want a weapon that fires projectiles. It would be liable to kill everyone if you missed.
 
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