Full size all metal 9mm

JR24 said:

CZ is good, I prefer the trigger and feel (and safety/decocker location) of Sig's, specifically the 226. So I'd keep an eye out for a trade in 9mm that occasionally pop on the market, or grab one of the plentiful .40 trade ins out there and buy a 9mm slide or barrel.

Or save up for the Legion SAO, real nice!



Is Para their own company again? I have an R1 double stack from when Para was owned by Rem, very nice shooter and 15+1 of .45 is always welcome, wish I had gotten one with a rail though for HD and a tac light.

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I really don't know, a good friend of mine a LEO carries one of their 1911's a 45 acp double stack and swears by them, whereas I am a SpringField armory fan but soon to change to Dan Wesson fan.

WVsig said:

Understood! I missunderstood what you were saying. A SP01 runs about $600 a CGW Pro Package done by them would be about $550 including freight both ways without the 10X bushing. So a full CGW Pro with 10X bushing is going to run $600 + $620. A Shadow 2 runs about $1000-$1100 depending on a few factors. If I had to choose a stock Shadow 2 vs 75B or SP01 full CGW I would take the 75B. That however is not an apples to apples comparison because add another $500 to the Shadow 2 and you can have a full CGW Pro Shadow 2. I have both. If I had to choose one I would choose the 75B because it is a better all around gun. For me it could serve as a carry piece where the Shadow 2 is a range/steel challenge/home defense gun. The SP01 does not fit my hands so it would not be my choice. This is my CGW 75B.

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If the costs stacked up that way, I'd likely go for the Shadow or a higher level gun for range if I could justify the cost. But I would not pay anyone to install the Pro Package - I'd do it myself and recommend anyone semi-mechanically inclined to do likewise. So, it'd be about $270 on top of the cost of the SP-01, which I bought mine for $549 delivered. And again, part of this is based upon OP's situation where spending $1200 up front on a single, obvious purchase might cause friction with SWMBO.

The only thing I like significantly better about my SP-01 vs. the 85 Combat or to a slightly lesser extent, the 75B, is the rail. All of them fit me so similarly that I have to handle them back-to-back repeatedly to detect any real difference. At times I like shooting with a green laser, and I definitely want one on any handgun that I might use for HD, so that drove me to get the SP-01 in order to have a full-size CZ with the rail.

All that said, I think I enjoy shooting the 97B as much or more than any of them if I'm shooting iron sights.

And I'm probably going to have at least SOME CGW parts in any CZ 75-based gun that I own, with the possible exception of some of the ones above the Tactical Sport level if I ever owned one of those.

I have two CZs. Love them dearly. Wonderful guns that can be made even more wonderful via Cajun Gun Works, etc. if you want to. My CZ 75D PCR (a compact) is probably my favorite - it balances so nicely in your hand. Alas... no rail though. As for CZ... top notch stuff in my opinion. Regarding one of the posts above - I have handled some of the Canik pistols and I think they are really, really nice quality, especially for the price. I would look hard at them also. Can't lose by looking.

IWI Jericho 9mm all steel . Just got mine this summer and love it ! Built like a tank . You can carry it cocked and locked if you like .

I would say the P226 or the 92fs.

Both are great shooters. They are accurate mild shooters with good capacity.

Classy

fireside44 said:

As for the Beretta/Taurus, would there be a reason to choose one vs another other than color/features? All reviews of the Taurus I could find were guys getting 25k rounds through it before some parts were replaced. The PT92 is the lowest buck choice Ive seen @ $429. Not just going low buck but when it gets mentioned by guys next to guns twice the price I should give it real consideration.

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Don't ever, ever, ever,ever,ever, buy a Taurus.

Do you honestly think that years in the future you'll be as pleased with having selected the cheapest gun you could find? Factor in a BCR of only 10 years, and the real difference between a Taurus and a world class firearm is literally pennies a month.

Not going for classy, going for honest.
If you earn your own money, spend it as you see fit.
Its an investment in a tool that you will rely on to protect; you, your family, and your property.
Don't let a woman nag you over the cost of a firearm...have you SEEN how much makeup costs...hair products..shampoo..they spend plenty..so if 1200 dollars is gunna make or break your marriage..get a new job or wife man because she isnt for you..
Just being honest, hate seeing people worried about their wives...do right and you will be right.
Buy quality, the cost of a firearm depreciates the more you use it/longer you own it.

CZ, Tangfolio EAA, any 2011/double stack 1911 would work.
Could try the Beretta/Sig line as well.

Take a drink or a smoke or whatever.

BCR=benefit to cost ratio. Basically, take any long term consumer goods, say a Microwave, for instance. If it costs you 140$, and lasts you 10 years, you divide the cost by the amount of time you owned and used it. So 140$ divided by 10 years, is 14.00 a year, or 1 dollar 17 cents a month. That's a fair investment.

Let's look at the Beretta and the Taurus, over the period of 10 years, shall we ? The Beretta, the original, costs you @600 $, or 60 dollars a year, vs Brazilian built Taurus, at about 450$, or 45 dollars a year. Beretta-$5.00 a month, VS Taurus, -$3.75 a month. So the difference in the two, over time, is $1.25 a month. If you keep the pistol 20 years, halve the equation. Now, if you really feel the miniscule savings, over the life of the gun, is worth your having an inferior, less dependable product, then, by all means, save that money up front, and get yourself a Taurus.

It's not like I have to own or shoot it.

He will grow out of it.....you remember how we were in high school.

I didn't fail, I didn't try to demonstrate. If you want to make yourself believe a Taurus is as good as a Beretta, then by all means, buy it.

Taurus makes a decent 92 at their price point.
Taurus makes a decent 1911 at their price point.
I don't think you will find many who own a current production Beretta 92 + Taurus 92 or a Colt 1911 + Taurus 1911 that will agree that the Taurus is as good.

The Shadow 2 is worth every cent.

fireside44 said:

Except you failed to demonstrate how a PT92 with many good reviews and built on Beretta tooling is "inferior".



You have no tact. Hows that for honest?

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Get back to your topic OP. Dont deny what I said is true. Besides, tact or class is irrelevant to the facts. The fact is you are worried about spending too much on a tool you will depend upon with your life.

Buy something that; does the job, makes your happy, fits good in your hand, and is quality...

Guy doesnt understand depreciation..study a bit about investments/business/inflation before buying guns. It pays huge dividends, as will buying a quality handgun that has aftermarket support and reliability that has stood the test of time...

Not even being sarcastic, you'll get ripped off.


Taurus guns have always been hit or miss...its not up for debate.
"Taurus" and "reliable" are usually seperated by "can be but might not be"



You could get a good one, or get a lemon...why waste money and gamble when you could have the sure thing "for a few dollars more"...buy one and gamble.
Dont complain if your "maybe a good enough" gun falls apart...you take risks and know your consequences.
Time is money, the time it takes to make a Taurus run like a Beretta if there are problems is a cost. Also Taurus isn't honoring warranties anymore...
Plus if you are trying to decide between the Beretta and the Taurus...the Beretta is bring phased out of service.
Mags, parts, and most importantly it will be plentiful.
Your Taurus will share nothing but magazines.
Planning on stashing spare parts away?
The Taurus offers an initially lower price tag but that is it for advantages.

Century Arms AK rifles are made by monkeys with Combloc tooling..
They must be as good as a Soviet/Izmash AK rifle..

CZ Accushadow 2
Pro - It's the Gun.
Against - It's the Gun $$$$$

Let me put it another way. Less experienced shooters are worried they will spend too much on a firearm or optic.
More experienced shooters are worried they won't spend enough on a firearm or optic.

We all went through the mill, and around the block. It's not like we're getting a percentage from Leupold, S&W, or, in this case, Beretta

LOL The High Road. Get yer marriage advice and shootin' iron advice all at one convenient stop on the internet.

"Piss off, woman! A guy on the internet said I ought to buy whatever gun I want. Besides, by the time I've put a few thousand dollars worth of ammo through this thing it'll have been a bargain."

Dibbs said:

Let me put it another way. Less experienced shooters are worried they will spend too much on a firearm or optic.
More experienced shooters are worried they won't spend enough on a firearm or optic.

We all went through the mill, and around the block. It's not like we're getting a percentage from Leupold, S&W, or, in this case, Beretta

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I have a Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 on my AR - DMR and worry I didn't spend enough.

I6turbo said:

LOL The High Road. Get yer marriage advice and shootin' iron advice all at one convenient stop on the internet.

"Piss off, woman! A guy on the internet said I ought to buy whatever gun I want. Besides, by the time I've put a few thousand dollars worth of ammo through this thing it'll have been a bargain."

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"Hey hunny, I cant do simple math and use an excel spreadsheet to understand how depreciation works. Nor am I intelligent enough to explain it, nor are you intelligent enough to be able to rationalize and understand it. I plan on buying my gun, and throwing it away...it wont last more than a year so it has to cost less..."

^You dont even have to include ammo costs...you willing to bet a company that cant even warranty their products anymore will make a product that can outlive you?

Heres a math problem for you

Cost-salvage value/useful life.
What a Taurus Cost-What its worth in parts/how long it will last in years.

450-150/20( a cheap gun that wont last/hold value) $15 dollars a year or 1.25 a month
900-300/50( a gun worth money that will hold value) $12 Dollars a year, or 1 dollar a month...

You can plan games with this formula all you want...the point is the savings aren't worth pissing yourself about..we aren't talking about mortages or million dollar day trading. How much are you really saving?


Quality guns will last longer and retain value longer.
"Buy once, cry once"
I don't care if people want to buy what they want/budget/spend just don't blame it on your wife stringing your balls up.
Just makes us men look weak.
You either have the money or you dont no big deal.
Save up for a few more months...get something you want/is good instead of worrying..like a woman.

Dibbs said:

Let me put it another way. Less experienced shooters are worried they will spend too much on a firearm or optic.
More experienced shooters are worried they won't spend enough on a firearm or optic.

We all went through the mill, and around the block. It's not like we're getting a percentage from Leupold, S&W, or, in this case, Beretta

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You didn't get your check from Beretta this month?
I got my check from Colt & S&W on time...call them up about it.

I heard Taurus sends you spare parts instead of a check...since they know you'll just spend your check on them anyways.

frogfurr said:

CZ's are nice. Really have to shoot one for a while to appreciate them.

There are CZ clones. I wouldn't go that way.

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The Baby Eagle/Jericho 941 are CZ clones, and they are reliable, well made pistols.