Shooting at Texas Church Leaves Two Dead and One Injured, Gunman Shot By Armed Member

rust collector said:

low percentage shot at the head

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He shot at the moving upper-most mass exposed above the intervening pews & parishioners.
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> "I didn't have a clear window," he said, referring to church members who "were jumping, going chaotic....
> They were standing up. I had to wait about half a second, or a second, to get my shot. I fired one round.
> The subject went down....The only clear shot I had was his head because I still had people in the pews
> that were not all the way down as low as they could. That was my one shot,"
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Again... remarkable.


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I wondered about the head shot too - I believe that the defending shooter stated that he had to wait a second for a clear shot , and that the first opportunity for a target on the bad guy was the head; it was deliberate on his part.
Remarkable presence of mind and one very good shot.

On the subject of who muzzled/swept who , yes of course those civilian defenders were operating under extreme stress , but it is reasonable a assess their actions in terms of potential outcome. That does not constitute criticism of them , nor does it constitute a claim of "I would have done it better ". While it is realistic to say that muzzle discipline is a lot to hope for in those circumstances it is still reasonable to strive for that in the hope and interest of achieving defensive response without preventable casualties. After all - some level of discipline was achieved ; the maroon shirt defender who muzzled the innocents stayed on the mission , maintained the grip he was trained for , and did not fire his gun accidentally or unnecessarily. He did not just "lose it". Therefor , one more level of discipline is reasonable to discuss , hope for , and train train towards.

MEHavey said:

He shot at the moving upper-most mass exposed above the intervening pews & parishioners.
>
> "I didn't have a clear window," he said, referring to church members who "were jumping, going chaotic....
> They were standing up. I had to wait about half a second, or a second, to get my shot. I fired one round.
> The subject went down....The only clear shot I had was his head because I still had people in the pews
> that were not all the way down as low as they could. That was my one shot,"
>

Again... remarkable.


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Clearly this was only made possible by the 357 Sig caliber the hero used because there was less bullet drop over that extreme distance. The other calibers would not have done near as good a job. I've got a conversion barrel on the way!





***That was total sarcasm and ridicule towards anybody changing calibers because of this shooting***

MEHavey said:

He shot at the moving upper-most mass exposed above the intervening pews & parishioners.
>
> "I didn't have a clear window," he said, referring to church members who "were jumping, going chaotic....
> They were standing up. I had to wait about half a second, or a second, to get my shot. I fired one round.
> The subject went down....The only clear shot I had was his head because I still had people in the pews
> that were not all the way down as low as they could. That was my one shot,"
>

Again... remarkable.


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Very remarkable considering the cognitive ability to process that scenario that quickly and make a shot that many cant when shooting at paper, all while just witnessing 2 others get shot and knowing if you fail, more shots will be fired. Either he got very lucky, or the man is Chuck Norris-esk. Considering he is a firearms trainer, I'm betting on the latter.

Hartkopf said:

Clearly this was only made possible by the 357 Sig caliber the hero used because there was less bullet drop over that extreme distance. The other calibers would not have done near as good a job. I've got a conversion barrel on the way!





***That was total sarcasm and ridicule towards anybody changing calibers because of this shooting***

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Changing chamberings, eh, but making people re-think their carry gun of choice based off of making better shots at distance, I can see some merit. After all, there aren't many carry guns you can shoot well at distance with that you cant shoot well and quick up close.

Well, of course it would have been a much better situation if all of you experts were in the room when it happened. You weren't. He was. He stopped it. My takeaway from the whole thing is that those people should be very, very thankful that the guy didn't miss the first time.

I actually got a Sig 229 in 357 sig for Christmas. It’s what the Virginia State Police use. I was thinking of a .40 S&W barrel for it because ammo is $25 a box around here.
I’ve got lots of .40 ammo.
Additionally, mine has the DAK trigger. While it’s very smooth, it’s going to take some getting used to.