Why are we not talking about the Ruger 5.7 Yet?

lionking said:

The design of the gun is very appealing to me, longer barrel and adjustable sights I know the 7.62x25mm is a commie cartridge and outdated but that gun in 7.62x25mm I'd be in line to get one. Or if they introduce new cartridges to the gun also maybe.

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The Ruger-57 is blowback operated so chambering it in something else like the 7.62x25 is probably not possible without a serious redesign. Either a much heavier slide and a stronger recoil spring or a new breech mechanism.

I like the 7.62x25 cartridge but its appeal, in my opinion, was its price. When it was all over the surplus market it was great ammo for blasting. Sadly the surplus ammo has largely dried up.

ilbob said:

Given the similarity in ballistics to the 22 mag round I wonder if ruger might come up with a 22 mag version of this gun. Ammo is about half the cost.

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That would seem to be the only real option for this pistol. It is too big and funky to chamber in more common centerfire cartridges. Plus see my thoughts above regarding 7.62x25 and blowback.

chicharrones said:

That's what I say about the ammo pricing.

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Hornady put them up to it.

You have to have the firearm on the market before you can sell any ammo. It's the pistol version of the 17 Hornet.

Y'all have fun.

In response to some chatter about the safety. I like a manual safety on a handgun and this one works well enough. As previously mentioned I wish it was at a bit of an upward angle when off and/or wasn't so flat.




My bigger complaint ergonomically is the trigger guard. Too Glock-like in that it is too shallow. My trigger finger rubs on the bottom when I shoot.

So, about that carbine...

The next biggest question is when will it available.

Looks like my 22TCM will have to do for awhile longer.

jdh said:

The next biggest question is when will it available.

Looks like my 22TCM will have to do for awhile longer.

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Available now.

Wake me up when someone makes a 5.7 1911.

I’d like a compact version easier for carry.

I'll almost certainly get one of these as it seems like a "fun" gun - I've got working guns covered many times over so fun and interesting is all I shop for now. Heck I've wanted an FN-Five Seven since I first saw them 17-18 years ago but I never could justify paying that much. Ruger's price is much more impulse purchase friendly.

USBP379 said:

Available now.

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Davidson's disagrees: https://galleryofguns.com/genie/Pow...pe=All&cal=All&rebate=No&com=No&zipcode=78602

Maybe the fn is higher in some places but I'm not seeing the huge deal here if you buy online. The fn isn't as high as it was during the panics.
Grab-a-gun has the ruger listed at 650. Most have it at 699. Add another 50 dollar magazine for the third magazine that the FN ships with and your at 7 or 750. The FN is on gun.deals with an inforce light for 956 now but is always on there for under 1k. Assuming the inforce was on sale for 100 bucks then the ruger is at 850 with the light vs the FN for 950-980. Or buy the fn aand sel the light new for 100 and the FN is at 856 with 3 mags and a rust free slide. I'd pay half price for a copy cat. But not 85%.

If you just like ruger better that's great and I do like ruger. I have no doubt it's a good gun. Or if you like the safety position better or what not then that's great too. I like the metal mags actually. But the difference doesn't seem that big to me with everyone talking about the value. Coat the ruger slide for corrosion and it may well cost more for the ruger than the fn. Then chrome line the bore like the FN... if anyone starts making real 5.7 ammo again it will need it

I hope they sell a bunch. Better for those of us who shoot the caliber. But I see it as an alternative to the FN not a budget version at the 650-699 prices. If you even find one for that.

My boss loves his FN 57 and I must say Iwas very impressed by it. He hasn't had much luck trying to reload 5.7x28 though. The reloads don't feed as well as factory new ammo even though he doesn't tumble the brass which would remove the coating on the case.

I would rather see a FN 57'ish pistol in .22TCM.

ilbob said:

Given the similarity in ballistics to the 22 mag round I wonder if ruger might come up with a 22 mag version of this gun. Ammo is about half the cost.

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It's about as similar as a .30-40 is to a .30-378. Out of pistols something like 1700 vs 1250 fps with 40 gr bullet.

MikeInOr said:

My boss loves his FN 57 and I must say Iwas very impressed by it. He hasn't had much luck trying to reload 5.7x28 though. The reloads don't feed as well as factory new ammo even though he doesn't tumble the brass which would remove the coating on the case.

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I’ve also heard and read about the struggle to road reliable ammo for the 5.7

As they say on Shark Tank, “I’m out”

Maybe the fn is higher in some places but I'm not seeing the huge deal here if you buy online. The fn isn't as high as it was during the panics.
Grab-a-gun has the ruger listed at 650. Most have it at 699. Add another 50 dollar magazine for the third magazine that the FN ships with and your at 7 or 750.

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You're falling into the same trap Mac users always used to use to "prove" Macs were just as cheap as PC's. "If you add the firewire interface and BluRay writer that comes standard on the Mac then the PC costs just as much!" - replace various components depending on year. The thing is - not everybody needs that third magazine. Some people if they were told they could save $50 off the FN Five Seven if they'd take out one of the magazines would happily tell the dealer to keep it. Same goes for the light. You don't compare two products by taking one where they essentially force you to buy extras by claiming that the other one must now include the cost of those extras as well.

Bottom line: If I want to shoot the Ruger it'll cost me $650 - right at release time. If I want to shoot the FN Five Seven it's going to cost me a lot closer to $950. Now consider that after the hype dies down I'll bet the Ruger 57 will be able to be found for closer to $500 and it's a no brainer.

748 said:

Now they're going for $1,100?

There isn't that much similarly.
Something like a pmr30 spits out 40gr bullets st 1,200 to 1,400fps.
A 5.7x28mm 5 inch pistol spits 40gr bullets out closer to 2,000fps.
About as accurate as saying a 22lr fired in a rifle and 22wmr shot from a rifle are pretty much the same.
Or that a 308 and 30-30 are pretty much the same.

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Paul Harrell's velocity with 40 gr 5.7 was closer to 1600 fps, it was the 27 grain stuff that got 2000+ fps.

USBP379 said:

The Ruger-57 is blowback operated so chambering it in something else like the 7.62x25 is probably not possible without a serious redesign. Either a much heavier slide and a stronger recoil spring or a new breech mechanism.

I like the 7.62x25 cartridge but its appeal, in my opinion, was its price. When it was all over the surplus market it was great ammo for blasting. Sadly the surplus ammo has largely dried up.

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They'll have a usable frame to work with, one of the first drawbacks to 762x25 has been the length of it and not being able to fit in a typical handgun frame. From what you've posted, the barrel not being pinned/fixed to the frame is a sign they could put a tilting barrel in and I don't believe for a moment that Ruger would design the frame solely with 5.7 in mind. The length of that cartridge is about the same as .357 Magnum and is longer than .38 Super.

I mean, think of how well a semi auto .357 Magnum would sell if it worked and cost $650 and was made by one of the biggest gun makers in the world with great customer service.

As for the viability of 7.62x25, the surplus ammo was cheap, but it wasn't great ammo and most of it was corrosive. The stuff PPU makes is 35 cents a round, brass cased, and non-corrosive. The Tokarevs are so numerous (and cheap) that there will always be a market for the ammo, so it's not going obsolete anytime soon. It just needs someone in the US to make a good defensive load for, which would probably end up being Hornady since they make a Critical Defense load for .32 NAA and 9x18 Makarov.

Bottom line is the 7.62x25 has potential, it's just not supported by the industry. What the appeal is for a cartridge designed to penetrate body armor is when civilians aren't allowed to have AP ammo is questionable, not too mention the price of the 5.7 ammo is more than 7.62x25. That might change if PPU and Fiocchi and Magtech get into making ammo for it tho, but it's not a guarantee.

TTv2 said:

They'll have a usable frame to work with... 762x25....

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I'm officially going on record to say a 7.62x25 R57 pistol will never happen. Not unless someone other than Ruger comes up with a top end for it.

Something else quite noteworthy is that the gun is modular. The serialized chassis can be removed from the plastic grip frame with mininal effort.

Be mindful of flying trigger bar when taking chassis out of grip. Oops!

Ruger does not presently have a plan to make different grip frames. Hopefully that will change.

No harm done. Pistol is now back together....

jdh said:

Davidson's disagrees:

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So check a different distributor. RSR for example.

There are guns listed on gunbroker now.

USBP379 said:

I'm officially going on record to say a 7.62x25 R57 pistol will never happen. Not unless someone other than Ruger comes up with a top end for it.

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If you're gonna go on record, I am too and say Lipsey's exclusive R57 Comrade Edition.

mgmorden said:

Same goes for the light.

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I agree. I said sell the light. It's a 130 dollar light. So I said sell it for 100. I also agree if the ruger gets closer to 400-500 then sure I may even buy one. But for 650 or 699 (I'm not throwing out MSRP here either, its already under and I'm trying to be fair) with 2 mags I don't see it. I hope they sell more of these than they sell 10/22s. No hate here.

FN says the chrome lined barrel is only good for 20k rounds which isn't good already (also not under warranty) and that's with the ss197 weak ammo. The ruger isnt chrome lined. Now given the weak ammo and high price it's not likely many get shot out but if someone makes real ammo what will the barrel life be? or if the price comes down. I usually dont care about barrel life but if the chrome more has a 20k life at 1600fps and someone shoots 2000fps real ammo through one that isnt lined, the life could be pretty dang short. And this is a 20 rd semi auto not a bolt action rifle.

TTv2 said:

Paul Harrell's velocity with 40 gr 5.7 was closer to 1600 fps,

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Years ago (2010ish) I got 1600 average as well with the 5.7 and 1540 with the 22 magnum 30 grain Remington ballistic tips from my grendel. Same day same chrono. 20 rd averages. Of course I posted it here and made guys mad. It was a bad chrono or the little bullet is hard to chrono accurately (even though the magnum was also a little bullet). But It's closer than people think in that regard. The 5.7 has standard deviation and extreme spreads far better than any 22 mag ammo though. Even my long barreled single sixes and 22 mag rifles have never been great in accuracy. Especially with that Remington bt ammo. The 5.7 is a viable 100 yard varmint gun for a handgun hunter. The 22 mags (mine at least) are not.

I always hoped for a 17hmr version of the pmr. Could be a good varmint gun as well.

Nature Boy said:

I’ve also heard and read about the struggle to road reliable ammo for the 5.7

As they say on Shark Tank, “I’m out”

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Since this thread had started, I began to read up on reloading for the 5.7x28. Not much room for error with a 50k psi cartridge. I like the thought of the challenge. But, I just don't think I would have the time to enjoy reloading for the little booger.

But if I came across a good deal I can't say I wouldn't buy a Ruger-57.

http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3297
Sorry, I forget which THR member post on the linked site.