Possible New Colt Pythons?

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Ok. So if I'm being too critical, how about some people stop criticising my posts and I won't have to defend them as reasonable and lucid?
I've made reasonable and lucid points in this thread such as Colt appealing to tradition by not making the Python a 7-shot revolver, but for that I've received vehement arguments and criticisms of every sort.
I pointed out valid concerns about the safety of what those guys in the video were doing. For that, I received a reaction of shock and more criticism.
This must be the internet.
 
Your posts are silly and easy to criticize. Sorry man, but you’re picking the wrong hill to die on so to speak. So know you mean well, but come on.

Why would Colt make 7 shot revolver, when revolver enthusiasts largely prefer 6 shot revolvers; particularly for a nostalgic model? Your position is that they should have done this for a minor advantage in capacity for duty use.... even though no agency anywhere is issuing revolvers anymore. That might have flown 35 years ago, not so much today. Your other Avenue is to argue that a seven shot cylinder is lighter and less hard on bolts and hands, again not a big concern for Colt. Revolver oriented competition is a tiny minuscule market, and guys who are serious about it wear out guns and get them worked on. Just part of it, and a new entry to the revolver market has slim chances of breaking into those speed games anyway. So why would Colt devote resources to servicing a market of like 5 dudes that are going to strip the whole gun down and rebuild it to their preference anyway?
 
Why would Colt make 7 shot revolver, when revolver enthusiasts largely prefer 6 shot revolvers; particularly for a nostalgic model?

Honestly. ..I think (and many people should probably agree) Colt has swung and missed on MANY opportunities in the market DOZENS of times over the years.
The new Python should be a modern-day product. Nostalgia should be left to the collectors of the original model.
A 7 shot (medium frame) revolver is the trend, not going away.
Dont fall back to the original, move forward...its Not the same! It wont be perceived as the same anyway by those that value the older models, and it shouldn't, its NOT! the same.
Make it marketable, make it modern, make it desirable! It's not gonna be just us "old timers" that are going to keep this version selling for another 50 years.
Like it or not, this Python is going to be different, might as well make it competitive, and 7 shots will at the very least separate it distinctively from the original.
 
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No, not it is not.

And the extra one round hardly makes a revolver more "desirable." Were that the case, there'd be little market for fifty year old S&Ws, Colt's or Rugers.

Sorry, but it is. It's ironic that your name is "old dog".
Kinda my point.
Colt needs this to sell, not just to us "old dogs"....but to the "young pups" coming in after us.
 
Honestly. ..I think (and many people should probably agree) Colt has swung and missed on MANY opportunities in the market DOZENS of times over the years.
The new Python should be a modern-day product. Nostalgia should be left to the collectors of the original model.
A 7 shot (medium frame) revolver is the trend, not going away.
Dont fall back to the original, move forward...its Not the same! It wont be perceived as the same anyway by those that value the older models, and it shouldn't, its NOT! the same.
Make it marketable, make it modern, make it desirable! It's not gonna be just us "old timers" that are going to keep this version selling for another 50 years.
Like it or not, this Python is going to be different, might as well make it competitive, and 7 shots will at the very least separate it distinctively from the original.

Hate to tell you this but revolvers other than J frame size guns are pretty much purely recreational purchases. “Modernization” is a ship that sailed a long time ago on wheel guns.
 
Hate to tell you this but revolvers other than J frame size guns are pretty much purely recreational purchases. “Modernization” is a ship that sailed a long time ago on wheel guns.

Let me put it this this way;

If I took my 8 shot 627 V-comp to the range, along with a Registered Magnum, and had a group of 25yr old kids with me, who knew nothing about revolvers, which gun do you think those kids would think was "cooler"? "Phat" ? (I'm sure that lingo is even dated!)
We are not the market anymore. ..."that ship has sailed"
 
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You know what they’re going to go out and spend their money on though?

A Glock.
Most likely, why buy a revolver when a "Glock 10mm is just as powerful as a 44 mag" (eyeroll!)
Innovation isnt going to hurt revolver sales, stagnant reproduction wont help either.
I love the fact the Pyrhon is back! But, all its competitors (Ruger, S&W, Taurus ) make 7 shot medium frame 357's. Seriously? Why not Colt? To me it's another missed opportunity by Colt, at least in the long run.
 
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Your posts are silly and easy to criticize. Sorry man, but you’re picking the wrong hill to die on so to speak. So know you mean well, but come on.

Why would Colt make 7 shot revolver, when revolver enthusiasts largely prefer 6 shot revolvers; particularly for a nostalgic model? Your position is that they should have done this for a minor advantage in capacity for duty use.... even though no agency anywhere is issuing revolvers anymore. That might have flown 35 years ago, not so much today. Your other Avenue is to argue that a seven shot cylinder is lighter and less hard on bolts and hands, again not a big concern for Colt. Revolver oriented competition is a tiny minuscule market, and guys who are serious about it wear out guns and get them worked on. Just part of it, and a new entry to the revolver market has slim chances of breaking into those speed games anyway. So why would Colt devote resources to servicing a market of like 5 dudes that are going to strip the whole gun down and rebuild it to their preference anyway?

I never asserted that Colt should make a 7-shot revolver. I replied to someone who wrote that it is a new gun and should not be compared to the old one with the question, "then why doesn't it have 7-chambers?" I was asserting that they did appeal to tradition and nostalgia by not making a 7-shot revolver and therefore it should be compared to the traditional Python. That's not the same as saying Colt should have made it with 7 chambers. Then I got a response suggesting 7-chambers aren't a meaningful feature and I disputed that. I still never argued that Colt should do it, but that it is a meaningful feature, and you still want to argue that, and try to suggest that because police agencies don't issue revolvers anymore that it doesn't matter? Who is being silly?
 
Most likely, why buy a revolver when a "Glock 10mm is just as powerful as a 44 mag" (eyeroll!)
Innovation isnt going to hurt revolver sales, stagnant reproduction wont help either.
I love the fact the Pyrhon is back! But, all its competitors (Ruger, S&W, Taurus ) make 7 shot medium frame 357's. Seriously? Why not Colt? To me it's another missed opportunity by Colt, at least in the long run.
I think most folks interested in a python could give a crap about a 7th shot. It's probably going to appeal more to the folks along the traditional line anyways. I'll use myself as an example. I'm 28 but much prefer classic guns, I would LOVE to own a python . But, up untill this point and for as long as I was legally able to purchase handguns they've been $3k+ and very uncommon in my neck of the woods. Now with the new python coming it and hopefully having a street price of less than 1400 there's actually a chance of me snagging one up, unlikely since I just had a little one, but actually possible. No way in Hell could I have spent 3k on one,but 1500 out the door is TOP of budget but actually do able.

You said it yourself, lots of us younger folks are interested in tactical style stuff. If that kind of person is going to drop 1500 on a revolver it's probably going to be something along the lines of that vcomp or a trr8,a something truly tactical, not a python with an extra hole. Plus who's to say that colt isn't going to come out with a "competition" version anyways. I mean the dang things haven't even hit the gun store yet. Give it a little time.
 
If Colt wants to make an extra capacity .357 a 7 shot Python makes no sense for most users interested in a higher capacity revolver. Allow me to explain with bulletin points:

1.) The revolver carrying self defense market is most interested in J frame sized guns, and Cobra sized guns. Not Python or L frame sized guns. So they buy J frames, Cobras, and Ruger LCR’s. The only 7 shot revolver supposedly made for CCW is the 586 L Comp, and while it’s a neat wheel gun there’s about 3 people in the whole country who would carry a revolver that size and weight instead of a G19 sized pistol with 2X as many rounds on board that weighs less and conceals more easily.

2.) The duty revolver market..... LOL hasn’t existed for 30 years. So no point in bothering with that one.

3.) Gun games market, well a 7 shot wheel gun has no advantage in any discipline I know of. Many governing bodies have classes for 6 rounds, or as many as the cylinder will take. Since there are 8 shot revolvers, a 7 shot is at a disadvantage for gaming in higher than 6 round rules, and holds no advantage in a 6 round limit. So what’s the point? There isn’t one.

4.) Handgun hunters, well this crowd seems to generally prefer larger calibers, and higher capacities are not always desirable depending on laws in various areas for ammo capacity on hunting weapons.

Now if Colt wants to reintroduce the Anaconda and offer an 8 shot gamer oriented .357 cut for moon clips, or a 9mm cut for moon clips on that frame then go for it. Such a gun would potentially be competitive in that market.

So hurry up with the Anaconda! Give us an 8 shot .357, and 6 shooters in .41, .44, and .45 Colt.
 
I honestly think Colt doesn’t need to “ update “ the Python in order to sell em.
Cost would be one reason; lost skills and non-existent tooling, annother; and would you want a revolver that periodically needs attention by skilled Colt gunsmiths to keep it in time?
 
It sounds like it's basically the original King Cobra, restyled to look like a Python. To me this is a good thing because they can keep the price down and sell more of them while they climb out of their hole. Colts today are generally better fitted and finished than they were when the KC was in production.

I see no reason to get giddy over one shot in either direction. I really dig on a 10 or 12-shot .22LR but 5-shots are not the end of the world and 7-shots do not make me scramble to the nearest gun shop. I do think that anything other than six shooters should be unfluted because five or seven flutes just looks weird.

PS, I just don't understand the constant recycling of names. All it does is generate confusion.
 
I don't care for the recycling of names, either.

As far as fit and finish on old and new goes, I have a few old King Cobras. The fit and finish has always looked pretty darn good to me. I have a new Cobra. The fit is fine. However, I don't care for the bead blasted or whatever finish they call it on the gun.

On KC fit, I will say that one of mine came new with a canted barrel. But, so did one of my 686s of the same era.
 
Yes, mass production by "modern methods."
In its day, they made a lot of Pythons not to mention thousands and thousands of other revolvers on the V spring action.
Standards change, Rate of pay for skilled workers changed, mostly.
 
The King Cobras I've seen always looked like they were over-polished on a buffer by less than skilled labor. Much like many early 3rd generation SAA's. Just looking at the few pictures available, the new Pythons look as if they went to more trouble to keep the flats flat and the edges crisp. Much like they've done on SAA's of the last 10yrs, which are they best they've ever been. Recent 1911's are also excellent.
 
It sounds like it's basically the original King Cobra, restyled to look like a Python. To me this is a good thing because they can keep the price down and sell more of them while they climb out of their hole. Colts today are generally better fitted and finished than they were when the KC was in production.

I see no reason to get giddy over one shot in either direction. I really dig on a 10 or 12-shot .22LR but 5-shots are not the end of the world and 7-shots do not make me scramble to the nearest gun shop. I do think that anything other than six shooters should be unfluted because five or seven flutes just looks weird.

PS, I just don't understand the constant recycling of names. All it does is generate confusion.
Yeppers, on both counts. My 6 shooter has flutes. My 7 shot is unflutted. I think it’s a natural aesthetic.

And the naming thing...... If companies would stop recycling names and just market updated versions as new guns entirely, I bet half the noise would cease, or at least diminish.
 
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