Who needs an MP5?

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3 words "Roller-Delayed Bolt".

You can get radial delayed bolt from CMMG in their Banshee, and you can get it in numerous cartridges, fed from commonly available Glock mags with a last round bolt hold open, with your choice of Ceracoat, for under half the price of the HK.

https://cmmginc.com/product-category/banshee/banshee-300-series/

The advantages of delayed blowback are well established, but not limited to HK.

I grew up in the 80s, when the HK MP5 was king, and it is still sexy. But half of all the money you pay for any HK is just for the brand logo engraved on it. HK likes to think they are God's German Gift to the firearms world and everything they make is worth twice as much just because they made it, but in reality, to can almost always get the same quality and similar features elsewhere for far less money, and should probably do so, unless you're a uber-snob collector who plays too much Rainbow Six, IMO.
 
You can get radial delayed bolt from CMMG in their Banshee, and you can get it in numerous cartridges, fed from commonly available Glock mags with a last round bolt hold open, with your choice of Ceracoat, for under half the price of the HK.

https://cmmginc.com/product-category/banshee/banshee-300-series/

The advantages of delayed blowback are well established, but not limited to HK.

I grew up in the 80s, when the HK MP5 was king, and it is still sexy. But half of all the money you pay for any HK is just for the brand logo engraved on it. HK likes to think they are God's German Gift to the firearms world and everything they make is worth twice as much just because they made it, but in reality, to can almost always get the same quality and similar features elsewhere for far less money, and should probably do so, unless you're a uber-snob collector who plays too much Rainbow Six, IMO.
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I have ran MP5’s and MP5SD’s, they are fun but not my favorites. A full auto glock is a lot more fun.



 
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My Calico M900 has a roller delay bottom eject and after being broken in 25 years ago with the cheapest Spanish and Pakastani ammo I could find it remains tuned and darn near 100% reliable . I have one 100 round mag and 3 50 rounders that are very reliable and it is neat to load them up and not wind the crank for full tension until shooting time :) This gun will be form #1 integrally suppressed this year and already I made a mount for a Holosun red dot for it. The Calico are suprisingly accurate. In 1999 I sold in California before the 2000 assault ban an Uzi model A and an HK94 . I got $1500 for the Uzi and $2000 for the HK94 right before the 2000 scramble in Calif. 150% of what I paid in mid 80s for them . I kept the Calico which was $399 in 1992 . I am never selling it, my son claims it andis building the integral assembly/ for it.

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My Calico M900 has a roller delay bottom eject and after being broken in 25 years ago with the cheapest Spanish and Pakastani ammo I could find it remains tuned and darn near 100% reliable . I have one 100 round mag and 3 50 rounders that are very reliable and it is neat to load them up and not wind the crank for full tension until shooting time :) This gun will be form #1 integrally suppressed this year and already I made a mount for a Holosun red dot for it. The Calico are suprisingly accurate. In 1999 I sold in California before the 2000 assault ban an Uzi model A and an HK94 . I got $1500 for the Uzi and $2000 for the HK94 right before the 2000 scramble in Calif. 150% of what I paid in mid 80s for them . I kept the Calico which was $399 in 1992 . I am never selling it, my son claims it andis building the integral assembly/ for it.

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I never knew they were roller delayed
 
If the cost were Not difficult to justify---Yes, withoiut a doubt, because of very high quality, operation and being Ultra Cool. A buddy has a select-fire MP5 and select-fire Chinese AK. Obviously he has the tax stamp.
I can't upload photos onto websites, but maybe some of you want to look up the photo of the attractive young blond (lady...) with the German Federal Police, standing in either a Bahnhof or Flughafen with her MP5.

Google "MP5 German Federal Police". She and her partner should be in the second row of images from the top, far right.
This reminds me that my Sig P6 (was carried by their "federal agents") needs cleaning.
 
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I never knew they were roller delayed

Neither did I. Word is, the roller delayed version of the Stribog, the SP9A3 is supposed to be coming to the US this next year, and should be pretty reasonably priced (I've heard ~$1k street price, but that's probably a guess at this point). My straight blowback carbine isn't all that quiet to the shooter suppressed because of the port pop, so I'd like to try a delayed system. There are a lot of things I'd spend $2,600 on first, but for less than half that, I'd definitely give the Stribog a try.
 
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Neither did I. Word is, the roller delayed version of the Stribog, the SP9A3 is supposed to be coming to the US this next year, and should be pretty reasonably priced (I've heard ~$1k street price, but that's probably a guess at this point). My straight blowback carbine isn't all that quiet to the shooter suppressed because of the port pop, so I'd like to try a delayed system. There are a lot of things I'd spend $2,600 on first, but for less than half that, I'd definitely give the Stribog a try.

That looks pretty neat

 
I came back from Germany in 1976 pretty hot for the MP5. The Police in my area had them in patrol cars. They also had Uzi at the station, I guess because the Uzi was the SMG for the German Army. As a rifle shooter I liked the MP5 better than the Uzi, though for German vehicle crewmen the Uzi seemed just fine. I fired them both and was happy.

When I got back to Europe five years later I had experience that time with fixed and sliding stocked MP5, MP5K, and MP5SD thanks to some work with some German Police. Interestingly one group still used the Uzi as well but in mounts on a turreted Mercedes Land Cruiser. Odd thing that. My opinion of the MP 5 family had dropped a bit, but then came the work with the "carbine" MP5SD. The group I shot it with used it on semi auto only and they were scoped with adjustments on the scope for 25 meter incraments to 150 meters IIRC. I got to use it at 25 and 50 meters and was very impressed with the gun in that role. those MP5SD fired a bullet of about 130 grain and subsonic and were about 1.5 MOA accurate.

Fast forward a bit and I got my first HK94 semi for a review article. Remembering my two European tours I was all excited about a 16 inch semi auto version of the MP5. Well I never got better than 4 MOA and some times worse. Accuracy was best without the stupid ventilated shroud with forward grip but still awful.

They were too expensive and my 1944 built M-1 carbine was more powerful and more accurate and at that time cheaper and again at that time ammo was not to far apart price wise. Bleah! Who needed an HK94 in 1985?

Chine gun buddy got one and shipped it right off to Fleming. On return it was more accurate than the semi auto 16 inch had been and made me wonder if it was just all that extra barrel causing the trouble. Still with all original cost of a HK 94 and then the stamp and the cost of sending it to someone like Fleming..... in those days before firearms owners were "protected" there were a lot of SMGs and converitble Semi auto carbines out there that were good enough with out near the cost.

Meanwhile I talked to a couple of Rangers who had been in on the Grenada Op. 90mm gunners and some radio men on that mission carried MP5, in the case of the gunners on the "Ranger Assault weapon" (the 90 was not buggered up by parachute jumps like the then new Dragon and more flexible and cheaper in use) had the MP5 strapped to the 90's. This seemed a massive improvement to only having an M1911a1 in a flap holster as a back up to the AT weapon as I had when a 90 gunner myself for a bit. What I heard from the Rangers was that though everyone and their brother loved the MP 5 on the ranges stateside that they did not perform well in the field. There were appearently mechanical reliability issues and some power issues when used against cover or at 100 meters that the Rangers did not like. I was told most wanted some thing like the XM177E1 or CAR15 series instead and yea verily we now have the M4Awhatever.

Now you longtime THR'ers know me as a AR hater but I have to say if I were 19-35 and about to go in harms way and had a choice of an MP5 fixed or slider and say one of the 10.5 inch ARs with a slider like some of the federal LEAs use and was going to be going out of any fast moving high doors, taking a long first step out a helo or wadding ashore some place.... the MP5 would still be back where ever we started.

-kBob
 
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