Stacking HPs Over FMJ In A Carry Gun?
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I guess I would have to know what he means. I do have pistols that if you are wishy-washy about sling ahotting are iffy about fully returning to battery. I sling shot them with authority and never have an issue but hand it to someone else.
Trunk Monkey
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They both said their guns have issues feeding JHPs. Nonstarter.
I've actually had to use my gun in self-defense and that changed my perspective on everything. The gun is 100% functional or I don't carry it.
JR24
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Agree. I had a 1911 that had a very slight issue (Ruger SR1911 commander) feeding the final round of 8 round mags only.
Sure, it ran fine with the supplied 7 round mags so the issue would only crop up on the last round of a reload, yet, I couldn't even consider carrying it until I resolved it.
Luckily that's when I learned the very simple process of adjusting extractor tension, so once I internetted how to adjust and test, it was a 10 minute fix
Zaydok Allen
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I am leaning towards thinking this is hog wash.
If you’ve shot an attacker already and he/she has fled to cover, then you’ve accomplished your goal of stopping an attack. If you’ve missed them, but driven them to cover, then I believe you need to start thinking about removing yourself from the situation. Out in public, I view a gun as a means of escape, not a means of attack. It’s to be employed as a cover aid to help get yourself and your loved ones away from a threat.
I’m not going to waste ammo trying to shoot through barriers to hit someone I can’t see. If for some reason I did, I’m going to use hard casts or copper monolithic as FMJs deform and deflect rather easily from my understanding.
I’m also not going to accept the potential responsibility of shooting at a target I can’t see and accidentally hitting an innocent person.
Modern, well designed HP are designed to make barrier penetration possible. They may not always work as desired, but I don’t think mixing ammo is necessary or desirable if a gun is being used as it should, for defense and an aid to retreat.
If you’ve shot an attacker already and he/she has fled to cover, then you’ve accomplished your goal of stopping an attack. If you’ve missed them, but driven them to cover, then I believe you need to start thinking about removing yourself from the situation. Out in public, I view a gun as a means of escape, not a means of attack. It’s to be employed as a cover aid to help get yourself and your loved ones away from a threat.
I’m not going to waste ammo trying to shoot through barriers to hit someone I can’t see. If for some reason I did, I’m going to use hard casts or copper monolithic as FMJs deform and deflect rather easily from my understanding.
I’m also not going to accept the potential responsibility of shooting at a target I can’t see and accidentally hitting an innocent person.
Modern, well designed HP are designed to make barrier penetration possible. They may not always work as desired, but I don’t think mixing ammo is necessary or desirable if a gun is being used as it should, for defense and an aid to retreat.
Charlie98
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I did solve it... I have an FMJ on top of the magazine. New recoil springs also eliminate the problem, but I have 5 different Kahr 9mm's and I lose track of which ones I've swapped recoil springs in.
Trunk Monkey
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No, you rigged it
I wouldn't carry a gun I have to dick around with to get it to work.
YMMV
Charlie98
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My mileage does vary. You have your personal standards, I have mine.
BAD starting premise!
Intending to kill an attacker is not a lawful self defense objective.
bdickens
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Yeah. You can MAKE the Glock fail.
I agree with those who point out the possible legal implications of shooting at someone who seems to be retreating.. granted there are exceptions.
I would also point out that if you’re trying to shoot at someone through a barrier you don’t know what ELSE is behind that barrier.. maybe a little kid is also taking refuge there: you will be accountable for you shots. Isn’t there a fundamental rule of shooting about this?
That said, if you anticipate shooting through a barrier don’t stop at fmj... go solid core. When carrying an autoloader I have a spare mag of g9 external hp’s (solidcopper ) for body armor or shooting through windows. I don’t stagger rounds as that could lead to many complications... just a separate spare mag that can be swapped in a second and has legitimate rounds that could be used as an ordinary reload if needed.
I would also point out that if you’re trying to shoot at someone through a barrier you don’t know what ELSE is behind that barrier.. maybe a little kid is also taking refuge there: you will be accountable for you shots. Isn’t there a fundamental rule of shooting about this?
That said, if you anticipate shooting through a barrier don’t stop at fmj... go solid core. When carrying an autoloader I have a spare mag of g9 external hp’s (solidcopper ) for body armor or shooting through windows. I don’t stagger rounds as that could lead to many complications... just a separate spare mag that can be swapped in a second and has legitimate rounds that could be used as an ordinary reload if needed.
For an armed citizen who should be shooting as little as possible to defend themselves, why would anybody want a round with more potential to penetrate cover? If anything the average person would be better off with proven non bonded, non barrier blind ammo. It's been said (and proven) that most shots are misses.
So if you miss the bad guy with the knife and your shot hits a passing car 50 yards away that you didn't see, you will be hoping your bullet comes apart and only speckles little Timmy with frag instead of holding together and penetrating 15 inches.
So if you miss the bad guy with the knife and your shot hits a passing car 50 yards away that you didn't see, you will be hoping your bullet comes apart and only speckles little Timmy with frag instead of holding together and penetrating 15 inches.
I would never mix ammo in my carry gun but I have no issues against loading a spare magazine with FMJ. The stuff has already hit the fan if you need to reload. Whether or not FMJ or hardcast lead is the superior choice in that scenario is a whole different discussion.
Charlie98
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The Kahrs specifically state in their operating instructions to drop the slide with the slide release... don't slingshot it. I've tried both, both work for me... but I train with the slide stop because that is what I'm more likely to do under stress. Of course, I train with less expensive FMJ ammo... or even my handloads, neither of which are loaded in my carry pistol initially. Having a FMJ on top of my reload magazine seems like a reasonable solution, for me, anyway. I'm working my way through some different SD ammos to see if it's an issue with the ammos or the pistol; I've also got a new recoil spring in one of my CW9's to compare it to a spring with a few hundred rounds on it.... just to see if there is something to that... but in my experience, a locked and loaded Kahr is 100%
Trunk Monkey
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