Uberti 1873 Bisley .44-40

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This week I took delivery of an Uberti 1873 Bisley with a 5.5" barrel chambered for .44-40 WCF. I ordered it from Dixie Gun Works and had it shipped to a local FFL who handled the transfer for $30.

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The fit and finish is very nice although I am not 100% thrilled with the varnish finish on the grips. I may strip them and finish them with Watco Danish Oil.

I didn't test the trigger with a gauge but it's crisp, and I'm guessing it's around 3 pounds, with hardly any creep.

The piece has Uberti's Cattleman II-type lockwork which includes a transfer bar and retracting firing pin, which allows it to be safely carried with all six chambers loaded.

Tonight I took it to the range with my father and brother. We shot three different loads:

1. Black Hills 200 grain CAS loads.
2. Handloads with 200 grain bullets from Desperado Cowboy Bullets on top of 7.0 grains of Hodgdon Universal powder.
3. Handloads with 219 grain bullets cast in an Accurate Molds 43-215C mold, on top of 1.9cc (~28 t0 30 grains) of Goex 3Fg plus 0.5cc of cornmeal filler. I'd put these together to mimic the ballistics of the .44 Henry Flat round, to shoot in my Cimarron 1860 Henry.

Even though the black powder load is a reduced load for .44 WCF, it had quite a bit more recoil than the smokeless loads, although it wasn't painful.

Some target pics:

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I'm quite pleased with the accuracy. As you can see, it's shooting low. This was expected because several years ago Uberti started putting taller front sights on their revolvers. This allows the owner to zero it for elevation with his preferred load. Once I settle on a load I'll probably zero the piece for 25 yards.

This is my first Bisley-style revolver and I can say now that I am a fan. I found it to handle recoil very well.

I'm really happy with the revolver and look forward to putting a lot more rounds downrange with it.
 
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Howdy

Are you sure it has a transfer bar? As far as I know, the new Ubertis have a retractable firing pin but they do not have a transfer bar too. A transfer bar is what Ruger puts in all their revolvers. A transfer bar 'transfers' the blow of a flat faced hammer to a frame mounted firing pin. A transfer bar only rises up into the position to transfer the blow when the hammer is cocked. When the hammer is down, the transfer bar is retracted so the hammer cannot contact the firing pin. Having both in one revolver would be redundant, plus it would not work.

Anyway, I have two Bisley Colts. Both are chambered for 38-40.

This one with the 4 3/4" barrel is one of my favorite revolvers. There is almost no finish left on it, only a little bit down in the cylinder flutes. It left the factory in 1909. Notice the extractor rod handle is a little bit bent. I am not going to try to straighten it, I don't want to break it. The original hard rubber grips on this one have turned a little bit green in color.

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There is a lot more finish left on this one. I'm not sure if the fire blue on the screws and trigger are original, but the rest of the finish is. It left the factory in 1907. The hard rubber grips on this one are still pretty dark.

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There is even some of the case colors showing on the frame.

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The original Colt Bisley grip and the one made by Uberti are very different than the Ruger version of the Bisley grip.

Not for everyone, I find that the curve forward at the front of the grip tends to make the gun point down a little bit. I have to be sure to sight well when shooting a Bisley, or else my shots will go low. I have always suspected they were designed this way because many 19th Century target shooters tended to shoot with a slightly bent elbow, not the straight elbow we shoot with today. When I bend my elbow slightly, the Bisley points nicely.

Notice too how short the front sights are on this pair.

The rear sights on these is a microscopic V.

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@Driftwood Johnson

Nice Colts!

Uberti calls the part of the mechanism that is inside the hammer that forces the firing pin forward the transfer bar. It's not what we're used to seeing from Ruger, etc., but I'm using their terminology.

BTW, the rear sight on my revolver is a square notch, approximately 1/8" wide. I think (but I am not certain) that older Uberti Bisleys had the V-notch rear sight. I am glad that it's square. Otherwise, it would have had a date with my milling machine. :) As it is, presbyopia makes it hard to see the front sight when shooting under florescent lights, as I did tonight. That's also why I chose a 5.5" vs. 4.75" barrel. I figured the longer barrel would make the front sight easier to see.
 
This week I took delivery of an Uberti 1873 Bisley with 5.5" chambered for .44-40 WCF. I ordered it from Dixie Gun Works and had it shipped to a local FFL who handled the transfer for $30.

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The fit and finish is very nice although I am not 100% thrilled with the varnish finish on the grips. I may strip them and finish them with Watco Danish Oil.

I didn't test the trigger with a gauge but it's crisp, and I'm guessing it's around 3 pounds, with hardly any creep.

The piece has Uberti's Cattleman II-type lockwork which includes a transfer bar and retracting firing pin, which allows it to be safely carried with all six chambers loaded.

Tonight I took it to the range with my father and brother. We shot three different loads:

1. Black Hills 200 grain CAS loads.
2. Handloads with 200 grain bullets from Desperado Cowboy Bullets on top of 7.0 grains of Hodgdon Universal powder.
3. Handloads with 219 grain bullets cast in an Accurate Molds 43-215C mold, on top of 1.9cc (~28 t0 30 grains) of Goex 3Fg plus 0.5cc of cornmeal filler. I'd put these together to mimic the ballistics of the .44 Henry Flat round, to shoot in my Cimarron 1860 Henry.

Even though the black powder load is a reduced load for .44 WCF, it had quite a bit more recoil than the smokeless loads, although it wasn't painful.

Some target pics:

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I'm quite pleased with the accuracy. As you can see, it's shooting low. This was expected because several years ago Uberti started putting taller front sights on their revolvers. This allows the owner to zero it for elevation with his preferred load. Once I settle on a load I'll probably zero the piece for 25 yards.

This is my first Bisley-style revolver and I can say now that I am a fan. I found it to handle recoil very well.

I'm really happy with the revolver and look forward to putting a lot more rounds downrange with it.


That is just a work of art. Beautiful colors. Those grips are just so darn deep.
 
You know was thinking last night and I think I would drag my bare bottom over 20 miles of broken glass just to shoot that pistol once..

And I would bring the bullet :)
 
This week I took delivery of an Uberti 1873 Bisley with a 5.5" barrel chambered for .44-40 WCF. I ordered it from Dixie Gun Works and had it shipped to a local FFL who handled the transfer for $30.

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I have a 44-40 Cimarron Uberti too. Only difference, mine is 4 3/4" barrel. It's my favorite. IMG-0965.jpg
 
I have a 44-40 Cimarron Uberti too. Only difference, mine is 4 3/4" barrel. It's my favorite.View attachment 884097

I do have a question for you, I pretty much have purchased Ubertis. I have a cimarron that I got used.. Do you really feel your cimarron is better then the off the shelf Uberti???

Now I will saw right now I do like the Cimarron name better..
 
The only real thing Cimarron has going for it vs. other Ubertis is more authentic markings. I base this on owning several Ubertis, 2 of which are Cimarrons.
 
The only real thing Cimarron has going for it vs. other Ubertis is more authentic markings. I base this on owning several Ubertis, 2 of which are Cimarrons.

That is a good point... I so wanted one of the New Henry 1860s from Henry.. But could not justify the the extra cost over Uberti.. Now I will say the finishing was much better on the Henry.. Just not that much for me.
 
I do have a question for you, I pretty much have purchased Ubertis. I have a cimarron that I got used.. Do you really feel your cimarron is better then the off the shelf Uberti???

Now I will saw right now I do like the Cimarron name better.

Indy1919, As far as I know, there is not much,
if any difference in the two. Uberti makes them and Cimarron markets them, maybe with a few enhancements. Both are fine, im my opinion.
 
Lovely gun, but I am sad that the Cattleman II disease has infected the Bisley platform too. I wonder how much longer the 1875 Remington has before it falls to the lawyers as well.
 
Other than being a little less authentic, are there any documented problems with the Cattleman II safety mechanism?
 
Other than being a little less authentic, are there any documented problems with the Cattleman II safety mechanism?

The CAS people can provide more input, but the unit I looked at in the LGS seemed pretty glitchy. If I want a SA revolver to have modern safety features, then I will get a Ruger (nothing wrong with them- I have several). If I want a SA revolver to be a replica, then I want it to be a replica- quarter cock with fixed firing pin and all...
 
Other than being a little less authentic, are there any documented problems with the Cattleman II safety mechanism?
he CAS people can provide more input, but the unit I looked at in the LGS seemed pretty glitchy. If I want a SA revolver to have modern safety features, then I will get a Ruger (nothing wrong with them- I have several). If I want a SA revolver to be a replica, then I want it to be a replica- quarter cock with fixed firing pin and all...

Howdy

The new Uberti retractable firing pin has not been out long enough for CAS shooters to have had much experience with it. Most of us had our pistols long before the retractable firing pin versions came out. I cannot think of any shooters I know who have one of the newer models. So I have not heard any reports about them at CAS matches one way or another.

I did have the opportunity to shoot one a couple of years ago. It belonged to a lady who had just gotten it. She was having problems with the gun not firing every time she pulled the trigger. I gave it a try and it worked fine for me. Turns out she was a very experienced target shooter, and was used to giving the trigger a very long, slow trigger pull, gradually increasing the pressure until the hammer fell. Which is exactly what you are supposed to do. I was shooting it just like I would shoot any other single action revolver. I was not yanking the trigger, but I was not taking forever to pull it either. When I tried her technique, low and behold I had some misfires too. I guessed that maybe there was a burr inside the hammer mechanism preventing the firing pin from moving forward when the trigger was pulled real slow. Alas, it was not my gun so I could not tear it apart to see what was going on.

Have not seen the lady recently so I don't know if she had it fixed or not.
 
By the way,

Has anybody noticed how much further forward the Uberti Bisley trigger sits in the trigger guard compared to how far back they sit in my Colts?

Yup, it stood out to me.

I did some googling last night and aside from a Driftwood's thread on another forum about the issue he reported above, I wasn't able to find any first-hand accounts of the retractable firing pin causing any problems. I totally understand the line of thought that if one is buying a replica it should be as authentic as possible, however. In my case, I don't have a problem with it being a bit less authentic so long as it doesn't cause any issues. This gun may get some woods carry time so having another round on tap is valuable to me.

The trigger pull on my revolver is quite good and in my limited testing the mechanism did not cause any ignition problems. I will make sure to keep it clean and very lightly lubricated with Kroil.
 
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