Buy +P brass for 147gr 9mm carbine subsonic loads

Plus P brass?

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  • No

    Votes: 16 88.9%
  • Buy them, try them maybe end up using them on something else

    Votes: 2 11.1%

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I am glad to hear there is no difference between 9mm and 9mm +p brass. Different case volumes would mess up everything!

Oh, you've misunderstood. The good news is that a +P marking doesn't mean less case volume. The bad news is that case volumes are not the same across headstamps. So instead of having some nice, cross-brand indication that case volume is reduced or that web strength is increased (such as a +P marking).... you just have whatever a particular manufacturer thinks is appropriate!

In other words, there are different case volumes. It's just much harder to figure it out than some standardization of +P brass might involve!
 
Oh, you've misunderstood. The good news is that a +P marking doesn't mean less case volume. The bad news is that case volumes are not the same across headstamps. So instead of having some nice, cross-brand indication that case volume is reduced or that web strength is increased (such as a +P marking).... you just have whatever a particular manufacturer thinks is appropriate!

In other words, there are different case volumes. It's just much harder to figure it out than some standardization of +P brass might involve!

Thank you!

I am very fastidious about separating my .223 and .308 military brass from commercial brass. I have never bothered with hand gun brass. I know there are minor volume variations between brands but it has never been enough to make a difference for my purposes.
 
Oh, you've misunderstood. The good news is that a +P marking doesn't mean less case volume. The bad news is that case volumes are not the same across headstamps. So instead of having some nice, cross-brand indication that case volume is reduced or that web strength is increased (such as a +P marking).... you just have whatever a particular manufacturer thinks is appropriate!

In other words, there are different case volumes. It's just much harder to figure it out than some standardization of +P brass might involve!

I have to say I am always surprised the internal dimensions of cases or a least a minimum case volume is not part of the SAAMI spec for cartridges.
 
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Yeah now you have to lookout for brass with an internal step. Both for low internal volume and to the length of bullet you can use or it will swell the case and make the round unable to chamber if pushed too deep. Then don't forget some is plated steel as well.
 
I have to say I am always surprised the internal dimensions of cases or a least a minimum case volume is not part of the SAAMI spec for cartridges.

Yep, some internal volumes are different enough to activate my powder check dies.

 
And spent 9mm Major brass are left on the ground for unsuspecting reloaders to pick up to wonder why the resizing effort is much harder.

My 9mm major brass is much better than my regular stuff ran through SMG’s. FWIW there are 9mm loads that can make major PF that are under maximum published load data.
 
If I load a 147gr load to 1,000fps in a pistol it should be about 1,100fps in a carbine, I don't think it will be P+.
Velocity has little to nothing to do with +P, pressure does. Depending on the powders 1,100 fps can be below or above SAAMI llimits.
 
Yeah now you have to lookout for brass with an internal step

These are bad news.
I had one separate at the ledge leaving the front stuck in the pistols chamber.
Got it out at home but gun was unusable until then.
Midrange load so not pushing pressure when it broke.
They all get tossed in the recycle can now.
 
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