Ole Joe Clark
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I don't like to see photos of cleaning an animal with hair on the meat shown and hair everywhere. It always makes me wonder how clean a person's processing is.
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I take a bit longer than my hunting buddies for that very reason. I also make sure my processor only includes my meat in my sausage. You’d be surprised how many don’t
That is why mine gets processed by me.
I was appalled by some butcher shops I've been in.
Others are clean enough I would eat off the floor.
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caribou
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When we film, they have a thing for blood, especially dripping.....they also show some rather morbid stuff with guts, hair sorta caught in teh reel of film, flys, severed heads and such, but , sometimes they certainly do "Edit" and skip over the more gruesome stuff, but the only time we actively "cleaned the scene" was a very strange and so far one time event Ill describe;
It was kinda windy, Agnes had just shot a fat calfless Cow Caribou and she was "Spined" as we call it, hit in a dorsal above the spine above the shoulders, so the 7.62x54r threw the animal down kinda hard and with gusto....
With the wifes bullet placement work over, I walked up to finish the job, as I am rather adept, I can quickly take a Caribou head off with 2 deep ear to mid throat slices, a twist and a last stroke of the blade to the back of the head and I threw the head down in front of the camera with a smile.....and as about as fast as it takes to describe...
In a glance at the wife, ,well, Agnes wasnt watching the camera,....... she was looking rather concerned about something.........she was staring intensely aside me, so I looked, and as I turned in two pulsing jets of blood crossed my chest, the headless caribou stood back up and staggered in a circle. just painting the fresh white snow a very excellent "Blood red" in a fine and long jets of blood that misted as they were blown further away...Blood....blood on us, blood on the snow, blood on the camera, and the headless body stopped, backed up and fell over and flopped while pusling is spray into the wind, like strokes of a giant artists brush.........Blood EVERYWHERE!!!
So we caught our breaths, agreed noone had seen anything like that this side of a chicken, and we laughed alot, watched it again on the camera and decided to finish the job about 20 feet away on fresh clean snow. We, were all quite sure that would never be show, and with the amount of blood everywhere, it was for the best, I guess, because we watched the episode later and we go from finishing off the animal to putting the meats on the sled, no butchering shown.....
Thats a noshit story!!
It was kinda windy, Agnes had just shot a fat calfless Cow Caribou and she was "Spined" as we call it, hit in a dorsal above the spine above the shoulders, so the 7.62x54r threw the animal down kinda hard and with gusto....
With the wifes bullet placement work over, I walked up to finish the job, as I am rather adept, I can quickly take a Caribou head off with 2 deep ear to mid throat slices, a twist and a last stroke of the blade to the back of the head and I threw the head down in front of the camera with a smile.....and as about as fast as it takes to describe...
In a glance at the wife, ,well, Agnes wasnt watching the camera,....... she was looking rather concerned about something.........she was staring intensely aside me, so I looked, and as I turned in two pulsing jets of blood crossed my chest, the headless caribou stood back up and staggered in a circle. just painting the fresh white snow a very excellent "Blood red" in a fine and long jets of blood that misted as they were blown further away...Blood....blood on us, blood on the snow, blood on the camera, and the headless body stopped, backed up and fell over and flopped while pusling is spray into the wind, like strokes of a giant artists brush.........Blood EVERYWHERE!!!
So we caught our breaths, agreed noone had seen anything like that this side of a chicken, and we laughed alot, watched it again on the camera and decided to finish the job about 20 feet away on fresh clean snow. We, were all quite sure that would never be show, and with the amount of blood everywhere, it was for the best, I guess, because we watched the episode later and we go from finishing off the animal to putting the meats on the sled, no butchering shown.....
Thats a noshit story!!
I don’t. I’ve even shown misses on a number of my shows. I won’t clean the animals up when filming as it ignores reality, unless it’s really horrific. We’ve even shown some necropsy scenes.
alsaqr
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Many of the deer i kill bleed out internally from high shots. All are quickly hung, their throats are cut and allowed to bleed out. That one thing makes a difference in the meat.
MCgunner
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I often don't even consider taking a pic until I've started gutting the animal. Don't bother me. If a viewer is offended by it on a hunting site, well, I figure they can just move along. I do wonder how they can butcher with a phobia about blood. Must take the whole animal to a slaughter house or something.
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Yep. I worked for a show for two years and did a few 'guest' appearances on both the hunting and fishing shows they produced. I have story after story of the dishonesty involved. I won't indict every show, because well, I really don't know. Nor would it be my place to make that assumption. But...my experience was far less than positive. I was knee deep in it myself. One of my finest handgun bucks was made to look like a muzzle-loader kill, simply to appease a paying sponsor. And by watching the show, you'd never have known it happened any other way.
That's just one of many stories I have from that time in my life. It turned me off big time and I ultimately left the industry altogether.
You know, this probably wasn't the most important topic on these boards, but I'm glad I asked the question. There have been some really interesting responses. I think a lot of the photos we see here on this forum that don't have blood showing are probably due to shot placement. I guess if I want pictures with less blood I need to shoot higher.
I didn't expect any who were actually on some of these TV shows to respond, but I think the answer there is that some hide it and some don't. And some just make it up. Depends on the show I suspect. Thanks again for the responses. It was interesting.
I didn't expect any who were actually on some of these TV shows to respond, but I think the answer there is that some hide it and some don't. And some just make it up. Depends on the show I suspect. Thanks again for the responses. It was interesting.
Perhaps someone else has already said it. It is very important that the animal bleed out as much as possible,
for better meat if nothing else.
Plus a good blood trail is essential if quick recovery is needed, like my last buck, bleeding going uphill, turned downhill
you could not find ONE DROP for the next 200 yards thru a briar patch from hell & the weather was 60+ degrees making
it essential to push thru the patch of natures barbed wire.
All the blood was inside.
I remember in one of Roger Raglin's videos of him telling how he cleaned up the scene
in order to make it less bloody, which makes for better viewing with family settings.
Love that guy.
for better meat if nothing else.
Plus a good blood trail is essential if quick recovery is needed, like my last buck, bleeding going uphill, turned downhill
you could not find ONE DROP for the next 200 yards thru a briar patch from hell & the weather was 60+ degrees making
it essential to push thru the patch of natures barbed wire.
All the blood was inside.
I remember in one of Roger Raglin's videos of him telling how he cleaned up the scene
in order to make it less bloody, which makes for better viewing with family settings.
Love that guy.
My kills have always been a mixed bag. If I get a pass through with a large exit wound, then there tends to be a lot of blood. However, many times I get no pass through, and the only blood on the animal is around the mouth/nose (double lung shot). Sometimes I've been amazed at how little an animal has bled after being shot. Other times I've watched, flabbergasted as blood poured from a deer like it was coming from a garden hose from the moment of impact. I've killed over 100 whitetail, and it's just been a mixed bag with regard to the blood, lots of variables that go into it.
There's no doubt in my mind that some shows clean up the animals to keep it from looking bloody on TV. Producers, lawyers, TV channels, advertisers, they all may have a say in how those things are presented on the show.
There's no doubt in my mind that some shows clean up the animals to keep it from looking bloody on TV. Producers, lawyers, TV channels, advertisers, they all may have a say in how those things are presented on the show.
caribou
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Working with National Geographic, we have the basic documentary style of filming, which isfilming what happens and then writing the 'story' after the fact. Makes my/our work easy, as I do as I know best, and we get to write our perspectives and insights for the producers after the fact too, so they get our point of view.
While "Yukon Men" "Alaska Bush people" and others were highly scripted, the later "Last Alaskans" had the same outlook as LBZ, and alot of the same segment producers. When I watch, I can see the natural way these folks are , I think its got alot to do with the production company relying more on their people skills and know how than any idjit from a city in Southern California could write up for them to do.
I will say, if a character presented on Life Below Zero does something stupid, purposely or accidentally, then its truly on that person.
Our executive producer calls the style "The secret sauce", and while we have plenty to do, after 7 years the cycle of the year is pretty well been shown, the changes in climate and animals reactions to the change in habitat and our personal doings are shown as we go along.
When I was a felon, I took the wife along where the sons and I had hunted the years before and when only she could use a real gun, it was a good change up that the Judge got rid on my felony and I returned to my natural self. I am a much better shot, but even I make mistakes, and if the cameras rolling, our gains and losses are show.
You fellas that read my posts 7 + Pre Life Below Zero years ago, would know best that what we have presented on a show (a day or two edited to 20 minutes) is basicly the same as I posted here over the years.
My posting here and Gunboards, unfortunately, is bound up in contracts and Hollywoods super secret soviet world of laws, polices and production. I can comment away, on what has made the TV, but posting my doings is chancy I hate to say because its at least 1/2 a year after we make an episode that it will air.
to get this stuff on film
You need these guys to the left is my friend Rob , a producer/camerman, to the right is my friend Danny, 100% camera man ......Often, when were hunting, its just the cameraman himself along.
While "Yukon Men" "Alaska Bush people" and others were highly scripted, the later "Last Alaskans" had the same outlook as LBZ, and alot of the same segment producers. When I watch, I can see the natural way these folks are , I think its got alot to do with the production company relying more on their people skills and know how than any idjit from a city in Southern California could write up for them to do.
I will say, if a character presented on Life Below Zero does something stupid, purposely or accidentally, then its truly on that person.
Our executive producer calls the style "The secret sauce", and while we have plenty to do, after 7 years the cycle of the year is pretty well been shown, the changes in climate and animals reactions to the change in habitat and our personal doings are shown as we go along.
When I was a felon, I took the wife along where the sons and I had hunted the years before and when only she could use a real gun, it was a good change up that the Judge got rid on my felony and I returned to my natural self. I am a much better shot, but even I make mistakes, and if the cameras rolling, our gains and losses are show.
You fellas that read my posts 7 + Pre Life Below Zero years ago, would know best that what we have presented on a show (a day or two edited to 20 minutes) is basicly the same as I posted here over the years.
My posting here and Gunboards, unfortunately, is bound up in contracts and Hollywoods super secret soviet world of laws, polices and production. I can comment away, on what has made the TV, but posting my doings is chancy I hate to say because its at least 1/2 a year after we make an episode that it will air.
to get this stuff on filmYou need these guys
to the left is my friend Rob , a producer/camerman, to the right is my friend Danny, 100% camera man ......Often, when were hunting, its just the cameraman himself along.
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recurve
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Working with National Geographic, we have the basic documentary style of filming, which isfilming what happens and then writing the 'story' after the fact. Makes my/our work easy, as I do as I know best, and we get to write our perspectives and insights for the producers after the fact too, so they get our point of view.
While "Yukon Men" "Alaska Bush people" and others were highly scripted, the later "Last Alaskans" had the same outlook as LBZ, and alot of the same segment producers. When I watch, I can see the natural way these folks are , I think its got alot to do with the production company relying more on their people skills and know how than any idjit from a city in Southern California could write up for them to do.
I will say, if a character presented on Life Below Zero does something stupid, purposely or accidentally, then its truly on that person.
Our executive producer calls the style "The secret sauce", and while we have plenty to do, after 7 years the cycle of the year is pretty well been shown, the changes in climate and animals reactions to the change in habitat and our personal doings are shown as we go along.
When I was a felon, I took the wife along where the sons and I had hunted the years before and when only she could use a real gun, it was a good change up that the Judge got rid on my felony and I returned to my natural self. I am a much better shot, but even I make mistakes, and if the cameras rolling, our gains and losses are show.
You fellas that read my posts 7 + Pre Life Below Zero years ago, would know best that what we have presented on a show (a day or two edited to 20 minutes) is basicly the same as I posted here over the years.
My posting here and Gunboards, unfortunately, is bound up in contracts and Hollywoods super secret soviet world of laws, polices and production. I can comment away, on what has made the TV, but posting my doings is chancy I hate to say because its at least 1/2 a year after we make an episode that it will air.
View attachment 887184 to get this stuff on film
You need these guys
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those guys must love the chance they have to experience your lives .Something they can tell their kids .Working with National Geographic, we have the basic documentary style of filming, which isfilming what happens and then writing the 'story' after the fact. Makes my/our work easy, as I do as I know best, and we get to write our perspectives and insights for the producers after the fact too, so they get our point of view.
While "Yukon Men" "Alaska Bush people" and others were highly scripted, the later "Last Alaskans" had the same outlook as LBZ, and alot of the same segment producers. When I watch, I can see the natural way these folks are , I think its got alot to do with the production company relying more on their people skills and know how than any idjit from a city in Southern California could write up for them to do.
I will say, if a character presented on Life Below Zero does something stupid, purposely or accidentally, then its truly on that person.
Our executive producer calls the style "The secret sauce", and while we have plenty to do, after 7 years the cycle of the year is pretty well been shown, the changes in climate and animals reactions to the change in habitat and our personal doings are shown as we go along.
When I was a felon, I took the wife along where the sons and I had hunted the years before and when only she could use a real gun, it was a good change up that the Judge got rid on my felony and I returned to my natural self. I am a much better shot, but even I make mistakes, and if the cameras rolling, our gains and losses are show.
You fellas that read my posts 7 + Pre Life Below Zero years ago, would know best that what we have presented on a show (a day or two edited to 20 minutes) is basicly the same as I posted here over the years.
My posting here and Gunboards, unfortunately, is bound up in contracts and Hollywoods super secret soviet world of laws, polices and production. I can comment away, on what has made the TV, but posting my doings is chancy I hate to say because its at least 1/2 a year after we make an episode that it will air.
View attachment 887184 to get this stuff on film
You need these guys
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.270 win 150gr.
One of the more bloody ones. Ran about 75 yards and dropped......this as it fell.
.270 win 150gr.
One of the more bloody ones. Ran about 75 yards and dropped......this as it fell.
Hookeye - that looks like a lower boiler room shot. A lot less to fill up the chest cavity in order to leak out. Of course they leak when the lay down on the bottom side anyhow. It just never fails that I get copious amounts of blood on both sides and I'd have to clean them up before taking a picture to not show the blood.
That deer had a pretty wimpy bloodtrail. A few splatters last couple of jumps but nothing major. Was minimal firs 50 yards or so. Was my buds deer.
Bullet exit was lower, entrance visible. Dunno if a chunk plugged it or what. Not major destruction inside, had plenty o paint sloshing.
Initial BT had me wondering where he hit it.
As it wasnt very good.
My deer had zero BT. High shoulder. just a little out his nose/ mouth
Bullet exit was lower, entrance visible. Dunno if a chunk plugged it or what. Not major destruction inside, had plenty o paint sloshing.
Initial BT had me wondering where he hit it.
As it wasnt very good.
My deer had zero BT. High shoulder. just a little out his nose/ mouth
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If you are just talking about killing, no, that’s not always bloody.
Lots and lots of dove I have picked up would have looked like they were still alive with their eyes closed.
Lots of others will bleed out internally or the blood pump is shut off before it can spew it everywhere.
Like all these guys, even with all the back straps cut out, there is no bloody mess. I see a spot or two on the trailer deck and that’s where we did the work, so we didn’t have to work on the ground.
Lots and lots of dove I have picked up would have looked like they were still alive with their eyes closed.
Lots of others will bleed out internally or the blood pump is shut off before it can spew it everywhere.
Like all these guys, even with all the back straps cut out, there is no bloody mess. I see a spot or two on the trailer deck and that’s where we did the work, so we didn’t have to work on the ground.
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Only a few of my deer kills showed much blood. Slug, 30-06, .223 and other rounds. Most of the bleeding is internal. One small buck I shot with a 30-06 had a big spray of blood as he ran about 40 yards. Most of the time the blood is all over when field dressing. The exception to that is my nephew. When he is on a hunt, he can gut a deer cleanly and quickly without making a mess at all. It's amazing. I roll the deer and leave blood all over.
As far as hunting shows many that I have seen they know the deer by name and everything is staged. They probably have stand in shooters and make up people for the game/deer . lol.
Since some of you are actually involved with TV shows know that I am kidding about some shows. And I trust what is said on here is the truth.
I truly enjoy watching you and your family Skip. Can't say the same for some others.
As far as hunting shows many that I have seen they know the deer by name and everything is staged. They probably have stand in shooters and make up people for the game/deer . lol.
Since some of you are actually involved with TV shows know that I am kidding about some shows. And I trust what is said on here is the truth.
I truly enjoy watching you and your family Skip. Can't say the same for some others.
When I field dress my deer I get blood up to my wrists and that's it.
Buddies call it "speed surgery".
Loading them into truck/hitch haul, sometimes get a nose smear on my pants.
That really honks me off.
My buds have killed deer, one has about 20 to his credit, another closer to 100.
Takes them 15 minutes (or longer) to dress a deer and they get red all over themselves.
I dunno why, they just do LOL
Buddies call it "speed surgery".
Loading them into truck/hitch haul, sometimes get a nose smear on my pants.
That really honks me off.
My buds have killed deer, one has about 20 to his credit, another closer to 100.
Takes them 15 minutes (or longer) to dress a deer and they get red all over themselves.
I dunno why, they just do LOL
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