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national reciprocity bills are still pending in congress.

Held up by mostly Democrats of course.

So my thought is a Federal LTC that all states are required to honor.

Now this may or may not have the same or more difficulty passing as much as the reciprocity bills. But that is NOT what this thread is going to be about is if it will pass or not. Please dont discuss if you think it would or would not pass.

What would be your thoughts on having one, IF one was available? Would you get a federal license over your state license? or just keep your state license?

Or would it depend on what the requirements were to get a federal license and how easy it is to get as well as how much it would cost? Or you would not care since all 50 states, DC And purto rico would be required to honor it?
 
Already have one. My right to bear (meaning own and carry) arms shall not be infringed. Simple, easy. Last thing we need is for the federal government to have a list of people who regularly exercise that right. It's bad enough that many states have such a list.
 
jamesinalaska said:
A Federal License To Carry = defacto gun registration.

What happens to the person who is fou d carrying without a license? I suppose the Second Anendment would not apply to her.
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I’m pretty sure most everything we’ve ever bought in the last 15 years, wrote online or in emails/texts, and our location at any given time, is in a super computer right now.

I agree totally that the government should stay out of our business but our cell phones are spreading our info from here to China and almost all of us have signed user agreements with super fine print for everything.
 
Hartkopf said:
I’m pretty sure most everything we’ve ever bought in the last 15 years, wrote online or in emails/texts, and our location at any given time, is in a super computer right now.

I agree totally that the government should stay out of our business but our cell phones are spreading our info from here to China and almost all of us have signed user agreements with super fine print for everything.
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Perhaps, but Mark Suksabuger, for all his wealth and political power, cannot put you into prison, or take away your wealth if you disagree with him.
 
jamesinalaska said:
Perhaps, but Mark Suksabuger, for all his wealth and political power, cannot put you into prison, or take away your wealth if you disagree with him.
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I’m just saying our federal government already knows who carries and mostly who has guns so I don’t know if it matters if we registered for federal LTC. Facebook is one tool but all of the big players, especially google, know everything we do. The system works good for me as it is(for now anyway) in TX so I’m definitely not in need of a change.
 
Theoretically we should not need a LTC.
However LTC's have been determined not to be a violation of the 2A. You may not agree, but thats the way the legal system looks at it.

While some states have gone permitless, and one state never did require permits. The vast majority do. Even Texas. Even in those states that you may not need to have an LTC, several of those states allow you to carry in additional places you cant if you do have the states LTC.

Then there is Traveling. Where if you dont have an LTC even if your home state is permitless you still wont be allowed to carry.

While this may change with national reciprocity, currently there are several states that don't honor anyones LTC other then their own.

Also keep in mind, that the feds can get a list from all the states with an LTC if they choose, or feel the need.

I dont see much difference in having a federal LTC or a Texas one.

Also i dont believe there wouldnt be much difference in practice of having a state LTC and national reciprocity, or a federal license.

You could still violate either license, especially out of state.

But i did find it quite interesting on everyones thought la about if they would or wouldnt and why.

I just think one or the other should be passed so that we can travel anywhere we desire and not have to worry what laws are where so much in how we are carrying.
 
Hartkopf said:
I’m just saying our federal government already knows who carries and mostly who has guns so I don’t know if it matters if we registered for federal LTC. Facebook is one tool but all of the big players, especially google, know everything we do. The system works good for me as it is(for now anyway) in TX so I’m definitely not in need of a change.
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Not that you would want to travel to the various states that dont honor a Texas LTC. National reciprocity will make it easier.
 
Texasgrillchef said:
national reciprocity bills are still pending in congress.

Held up by mostly Democrats of course.
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I'm sorry, this is just crap. The republicans held the house, senate and presidency before the last election. They did nothing. They bring up these bills when they have no chance of passing (or even being voted on) when it helps them get votes.
 
I will start this off by saying that I don’t have as much of a tinfoil hat as some do, but I do believe that Uncle Sam has a good handle on who owns and uses firearms. Internet searches are tracked and I guarantee that sites like THR, TFB, ARF, RFC, and a whole bunch of the manufacturer sites are monitored in some way or another, so if you have ever posted on here or elsewhere then there is at least that much evidence to show that you are a firearm owner/user.

Next I will say that it’s a good idea to have understanding of what the laws are when it comes to use of a firearm. A little education goes a long way. The way I see it, the federal gooberment should set a minimum standard to which people should follow to be licensed to carry which includes some basic education and competency test. The states should then by law be required to either accept the federal standard or establish their own which meets or exceeds the standard, but they MUST allow licensed carry, then like drivers licenses it should be honored in all states.

So in a roundabout way, I think we should keep our state permits, but there should be a federal mandate for other states to honor state issued licenses.
 
Texasgrillchef said:
national reciprocity bills are still pending in congress.

Held up by mostly Democrats of course.

So my thought is a Federal LTC that all states are required to honor.

Now this may or may not have the same or more difficulty passing as much as the reciprocity bills. But that is NOT what this thread is going to be about is if it will pass or not. Please dont discuss if you think it would or would not pass.

What would be your thoughts on having one, IF one was available? Would you get a federal license over your state license? or just keep your state license?

Or would it depend on what the requirements were to get a federal license and how easy it is to get as well as how much it would cost? Or you would not care since all 50 states, DC And purto rico would be required to honor it?
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NO!

Any national CCW would be determined and governed by NY, CA, NJ, DC, etc..........no thanks
 
A national LTC would be a nice thing to have. I have anti gun or apathetic to gun friends and family members. It would be great to visit them in restrictive states with my AL carry permit. However, I also know the government can mess up anything. They can ruin an erection if given the chance. Politicians would want something big to support a national LTC when voting power is in antigun states like NY and CA. The least of our worries would be a nationwide magazine restriction or much worse. Maybe if there were some huge SCOTUS wins in our favor striking down ridiculous gun control havens it would be worth a shot, but now? Nope.
 
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It is mystifying to me how easily some folks feel that MORE government will make things "nice". Listen, MORE government NEVER makes things better.

Federal License to Carry? If the Feds were to suspend ( based on some "emergency" ) everybody's permit and you, personally, were found carrying, you would be guilty of Federal law and be subject to Federal judges in their Federal courts, not your local judges in your local courts. Does that sound like it would be "nicer"?
 
Texasgrillchef said:
....Federal LTC that all states are required to honor..... What would be your thoughts on having one, IF one was available? Would you get a federal license over your state license? or just keep your state license?

Or would it depend on what the requirements were to get a federal license and how easy it is to get as well as how much it would cost? Or you would not care since all 50 states, DC And purto rico would be required to honor it?
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I don't see any way a FLTC passes unless NY, CA, IL, and other very restrictive states get to set the standards for issuance. Otherwise, they'll never agree to it. That being the case, I'd wind up keeping my state license.
 
Texasgrillchef said:
Also i dont believe there wouldnt be much difference in practice of having a state LTC and national reciprocity, or a federal license.
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That I agree with, which is why federally mandated national reciprocity is a bad idea. Doesn't matter anyway really. Not a snowball's chance in hell that that will pass, barring Civil War III and a complete reset.
 
jamesinalaska said:
It is mystifying to me how easily some folks feel that MORE government will make things "nice". Listen, MORE government NEVER makes things better.

Federal License to Carry? If the Feds were to suspend ( based on some "emergency" ) everybody's permit and you, personally, were found carrying, you would be guilty of Federal law and be subject to Federal judges in their Federal courts, not your local judges in your local courts. Does that sound like it would be "nicer"?
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I didn’t look at it this way at first. Things could be more corrupt with less or no true justice under the Feds.
 
First of all, why should the Feds tell states what they can and can't do? Driver's license reciprocity started in 1933 when an organization of state motor vehicle administrators got together and promulgated uniform rules.

If there was a Federal uniform rule, as previously mentioned, it would no doubt be based on the strictest state requirements. How'd you like to have NY or HI, or maybe even NYC, be the basis? Do you know in HI if you send your gun out for repairs you have to re-register it, every time, in person, with the police? I understand there hasn't been a carry permit issued by the Honolulu Oahu police in years.

As far as the Feds knowing who has guns? Probably everyone who ever applied for a carry permit was fingerprinted. Do you know where every print taken by a public authority has to go? Yup, to the FBI. Bought a gun in a store and filled out the background check form? Copy sent to ATF.

If the Feds were running the show, how caring for your rights do you think the Chuck and Nancy's of congress would be?
 
jbm said:
I'm sorry, this is just crap. The republicans held the house, senate and presidency before the last election. They did nothing. They bring up these bills when they have no chance of passing (or even being voted on) when it helps them get votes.
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It's feel good trash designed to invigorate Bubba.

The gun loving Republicans have controlled the white house and both houses of congress on several occasions. They could have rolled back the Hughes Amendment and some of the more onerous components of the GCA 1968. At the national level Republicans have done nothing for US gunowners.
 
bearcreek said:
That I agree with, which is why federally mandated national reciprocity is a bad idea. Doesn't matter anyway really. Not a snowball's chance in hell that that will pass, barring Civil War III and a complete reset.
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Whats your idea on allowing people to carry nation wide then? we should be allowed to carry nation wide without stupid restrictive laws.
 
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