saiga308
Member
seems like a glut of them here in my neck of the woods i am seeing a lot of price drops as of late
mosin $200 prices are crashing in utah area?
- Thread starter saiga308
- Start date
- Status
OP
OP
saiga308
Member
$350 went for sale tonite for this one stocks worth $150 easy
.455_Hunter
Member
Wow! That is UUUUGGGGGLLLLLLYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
OP
OP
saiga308
Member
OP
OP
saiga308
Member
even better
same website
Carolina Tater
Member
They're still $400 at Cabela's in Fort Mill, SC as of a few weeks ago, and most of my local small gunshops dont usually even have 91/30s
OP
OP
saiga308
Member
Utah loaded with them I noticed they must have tons of crates of ammo under ground here I am still looking for one rechamber in 308
Carolina Tater
Member
The only mosin rechambers I've ever heard of are the old Bannerman's from the 1920s in .30-06 lolUtah loaded with them I noticed they must have tons of crates of ammo under ground here I am still looking for one rechamber in 308
prices have been sitting around 200-300 here. I've had 2 Mosins, and both shot well. I built a sporter from one, gave the other to a friend.
Neat collectibles for guys that like them, but I think folks are finally getting over them as general everyday shooters. Not that they don't do that just as well as they did turn of last century.
Neat collectibles for guys that like them, but I think folks are finally getting over them as general everyday shooters. Not that they don't do that just as well as they did turn of last century.
troy fairweather
Member
Ammo is not as cheap and plentiful as it used to be, so the price will balance out.
someguy2800
Member
The wood looks nice on that one but unfortunately they didn't make it in the shape of a human. Whats the point of having 3" of grip below your hand? And why would you make a stock with the entire butt pad below the plane of the rifle? The design of the stock and the extra extra tall bb-gun scope rings leads me to believe that must be Andre the Giant's mosin.
Last edited:
earlthegoat2
Member
I would buy one for $250 but they are going for $300-$400 around here for 91/30s.
caribou
Member
I prefer to use them as issued, they work and shoot just fine.
I really like Finn Mosins.
Mosins have been rechambered in 7.62x54r ( to fix a bad chamber) 30-06, 8mm Mauser and 8x56r as far as I remember. .308 might do well in a Finn M-28 barrel, as it would have the bore size you need, shorten and ream, work on the extractor and bolt face a bit and yor gonna have a .308w soon enough.....
I really like Finn Mosins.
Mosins have been rechambered in 7.62x54r ( to fix a bad chamber) 30-06, 8mm Mauser and 8x56r as far as I remember. .308 might do well in a Finn M-28 barrel, as it would have the bore size you need, shorten and ream, work on the extractor and bolt face a bit and yor gonna have a .308w soon enough.....
GunnyUSMC
Member
That’s because I bought most of it.
Shanghai McCoy
Member
I thought you bought most of the Mosins too Gunny...That’s because I bought most of it.
Guess ya missed a couple up there in Utah ?
GunnyUSMC
Member
If you have a bunch of surplus guns, now is the time to sell if you’re looking to make money on them.
The price on surplus guns have gotten stupidly high over the last few years. It’s gotten to the point that even junk guns are selling at high prices.
But you need to look at who are buying them, or should I say who will be buying them.
Every time a movie or video game came out about WWI or WWII the sales of surplus guns went up.
It wasn’t so much new Collectors were buying them. But guys that just wanted that cool gun the saw in a movie or game. These were the uninformed buyers that started buying the over priced guns. Or the guys fighting to win an auction.
The next thing you know every one is trying to sale surplus guns for double their value.
But there are very few true young Collectors now and the rest that are buying guns really aren’t into surplus guns.
I can see the prices on most surplus guns coming down over the next few years.
Remember that most of us that collect surplus guns started buying them because the guns and ammo were cheap.
The price on surplus guns have gotten stupidly high over the last few years. It’s gotten to the point that even junk guns are selling at high prices.
But you need to look at who are buying them, or should I say who will be buying them.
Every time a movie or video game came out about WWI or WWII the sales of surplus guns went up.
It wasn’t so much new Collectors were buying them. But guys that just wanted that cool gun the saw in a movie or game. These were the uninformed buyers that started buying the over priced guns. Or the guys fighting to win an auction.
The next thing you know every one is trying to sale surplus guns for double their value.
But there are very few true young Collectors now and the rest that are buying guns really aren’t into surplus guns.
I can see the prices on most surplus guns coming down over the next few years.
Remember that most of us that collect surplus guns started buying them because the guns and ammo were cheap.
Caribou is right about some of the changes needed and even more right that it works as it is quite well.
Financially, one of the better things you can do with cheap $200 Mosins in Utah is to buy them, hold them for about until 2020 election time, and then sell them. Bet you could probably get a 50% return on them in return for holding them a few months.
As always, this is a free country and people are free to do what they will with their property absent causing others direct harm. One more chopped up milsurp makes mine more valuable and so on. YMMV and so forth.
Now, IMHO,
This is not really directed at the O/P as much as other people jumping on the idea via an internet search and thinking it would be a swell thing to chop up a rifle just like Granddaddy's Mauser sporter. On the THR, you see such pop up when they inherit granddad's military rifle or buy one cheap and think what a cool thing to do would be chop it up with little idea of suitability, costs, and function. Some do a little internet research, get a THR link to the conversation and post their ideas here. The THR always welcomes new folks and forum posters are more than willing to share knowledge. In many cases, the additional knowledge leads to a change of thinking about how easy and great such a conversion would be. In almost all cases of unmonkeyed with rifles, it is cheaper to sell the rifle, take the money, and buy what they really want.
Those that do not seek guidance initially, usually jump in with more enthusiasm than knowledge and butcher a fine rifle and often just abandon the project after they find it more than they can tackle or spend. I know, because I used to restore them to full military trim after buying these aborted sporter projects that were not too far gone. I quit recently other than completing a few remaining projects due to increasing costs to obtain parts to restore them and medical issues. Even I passed on receivers bored so full of holes for scope mounts that it was more holes than metal, barrels cut off with a pipe cutter, or where people ground on Mauser feed ramps to get space enough to feed the latest hot cartridge too long for the magazine, and so on. Enthusiasm is no substitute for concrete knowledge of firearms, machining and metallurgy, and mechanics especially when dealing with a dangerous product.
To illustrate, one of the problems with the O/P's idea is that such a conversion may never feed right unless you are a machinist willing to tinker and make your own parts. The magazine is designed for a rimmed cartridge and has certain features to prevent rimlock and jams with an interruptor being a key feature and the 7.62 Russian has a different case shape than the Mauser derived .308. Feeding will be an issue unless you want a single shot.
Bannerman did an ill-advised conversion of Mosins in the 30's to .30-06 that was simply a blowup waiting to happen. The 8mm Mauser trick was done as an expediency during interwar years and sent to countries that counted their soldiers lives cheap. Neither are really that functional either. One could chamber it in 8x56r but you would need a new barrel as there probably is not enough meat in the Mosin left to go from .311 to .323 or so and the ammo sold and its function is inferior to that of the original cartridge--so what would be the point.
I have come across somewhere where someone converted a Mosin to fire .303 British or the 8x50r or other obscure cartridges but then again why?
The 7.62x54r, as it is, already is of the more versatile cartridges to handload for on par with the .30-06 and over here, the bullet selection for handloading is generally better than that of the 8x57 Mauser. They also shoot well with cast.
Some info on bad conversions.
http://mosinnagant.net/global mosin nagants/8mm_blindee_converted_mosin_naga.asp
Enjoy the Mosins as they are--you can buy match ammo for them at cheap enough prices, they can be handloaded to perform multiple roles just as the old .30-06 can be, and if a person wants a bit more accuracy (although Mosins can be pretty accurate) then get a Finn Mosin with a .308.
Mosins are not Mausers where a simply barrel change can allow a whole family of cartridges to be used. Rimlock and feeding problems for Mosins with their issued ammo can be an issue which is why the Finns made some changes to keep the rifles from jamming.
They are not an Enfield which is also somewhat difficult to adapt to rimless cartridges but worked ok for the Brits later with their No. 4's to 7.62 Nato after upgrading their metallurgy and I have heard of some souls converting them to .223.
If people get a Mosin for $200 to sporterize, you will have a Mosin sporter that costs a bunch in time and worry to get it to function half-butted, spend a fair amount on a new stock and then inlet it properly, have to D&T with scope mounts, get a new barrel and fuss with the magazine feeding, alter the bolt, extractor, etc. so you get some reliability and function, worry about safety if you fire commercial cartridges as the old Mosin was designed to handle a rimmed cartridge to seal the chamber from gas events and otherwise does not have good venting for a rimless cartridge that it was never designed for.
At the end, you will have a rifle that is inferior to modern rifles in function and accuracy, an oddball sporter that probably will never get what you paid for out of it as the collectibility is gone, and the conversion might possibly compromise your safety. In addition, you see the shame when the original Mosins left untinkered with go up in price, even the cruddy ones, greater than what you paid for your pristine new rig.
Want to sporterize one, then skip the full trim military rifles and look for a barrelled action or a butchered half-butted sporter.
I've seen enough bad Mauser and Enfield conversions (one person converted a No. 1 rifle to .300 H&H, I saw another milsurp converted to a .257 Weatherby, and so on.) to last a lifetime in the gunsmithing house of horrors.
Want a .308--CDNN is selling Thompson Center Compass rifles for $269 with probably a better trigger, much easier scope mounting, efinitely better metallurgy, a warranty, and most probably considerably more accuracy than the old Mosin platform could give outside of expensive MTU type optimization. Or skip that and get an Axis, Axis II, Remington starter, Thompson Compass, or if you are feeling rich, a Ruger American for such that would probably best all of them.
Want a milsurp .308, buy a large ringed Mauser receiver for about $100, get a decent blaster grade barrel from Brownells or Midway, put a mag block in it and Mauser sporter stocks, including rather nice ones, are cheap. You'll get a tough, reliable sporter, that will probably, in the end, shoot more accurately, feed better, and require minimal alterations to get it to work for less time, money, and headache than getting a Mosin to work in .308. Plenty of attractive sporter parts for Mausers are around and the Mauser is a simpler system to adapt to feeding new cartridges, especially cartridges derived from original Mauser ones.
The golden age of milsurps was because a lot of people had the machining and woodworking experience with not much money and milsurps were far cheaper than the commercial rifles and about on par with them for accuracy. They were also willing, in some cases, to roll the dice with uncertainty on safety due to general lack of knowledge of pressures, etc. Now, milsurps are scarce and getting scarcer, their ammo for the less popular rifles is difficult to acquire or dangerous to shoot, and commercial rifles are cheaper than them with superior technology and made for modern high pressure cartridges.
The new golden age, if you want to tinker with firearms, and do so in a safe way is to go to the dreaded AR platform as it is truly the Lego version of firearms and there is always the AR-10 challenge for those wanting bigger cartridges. The metallurgy is superb, ammo is generally available along with brass, powder, and bullets, for reloading, parts are plentiful and cheap, etc. And, unlike those old warhorses, it is easy to convert to a new cartridge and sell your old upper to someone else while keeping your perfect trigger and stock, etc. You will have accuracy, cheap repair parts, excellent barrels, huge assortment of magazines, excellent ergonomic stock designs, and so on. The AR system leaves the old idea of a switch barrel Mauser in the dust as far as ease of cartridge conversion--how much easier is it to simply put an new upper on an existing lower? Or to switch out a bolt head? Buffer weight? Magazine capacity? Scopes? Stocks?
Want to save history, then honor the rifles in the condition that they are in, fix those in poor shape, and accept their limitations. Keep Grandpappy's rifle as it was and respect the memory of him or if buying one, respect that many folks wielding that rifle, had to sacrifice their time, perhaps injury, or even their life in wielding it. Absent maltreatment or the machinations of evil gun grabbers, that concrete example of the past will persist even after every poster on the THR is gone to their reward.
I hate to quote the bad guy in Indiana Jones, but he is right in that we are simply passing through history, the examples of our struggles left behind in artifacts and memories ARE History.
Financially, one of the better things you can do with cheap $200 Mosins in Utah is to buy them, hold them for about until 2020 election time, and then sell them. Bet you could probably get a 50% return on them in return for holding them a few months.
As always, this is a free country and people are free to do what they will with their property absent causing others direct harm. One more chopped up milsurp makes mine more valuable and so on. YMMV and so forth.
Now, IMHO,
This is not really directed at the O/P as much as other people jumping on the idea via an internet search and thinking it would be a swell thing to chop up a rifle just like Granddaddy's Mauser sporter. On the THR, you see such pop up when they inherit granddad's military rifle or buy one cheap and think what a cool thing to do would be chop it up with little idea of suitability, costs, and function. Some do a little internet research, get a THR link to the conversation and post their ideas here. The THR always welcomes new folks and forum posters are more than willing to share knowledge. In many cases, the additional knowledge leads to a change of thinking about how easy and great such a conversion would be. In almost all cases of unmonkeyed with rifles, it is cheaper to sell the rifle, take the money, and buy what they really want.
Those that do not seek guidance initially, usually jump in with more enthusiasm than knowledge and butcher a fine rifle and often just abandon the project after they find it more than they can tackle or spend. I know, because I used to restore them to full military trim after buying these aborted sporter projects that were not too far gone. I quit recently other than completing a few remaining projects due to increasing costs to obtain parts to restore them and medical issues. Even I passed on receivers bored so full of holes for scope mounts that it was more holes than metal, barrels cut off with a pipe cutter, or where people ground on Mauser feed ramps to get space enough to feed the latest hot cartridge too long for the magazine, and so on. Enthusiasm is no substitute for concrete knowledge of firearms, machining and metallurgy, and mechanics especially when dealing with a dangerous product.
To illustrate, one of the problems with the O/P's idea is that such a conversion may never feed right unless you are a machinist willing to tinker and make your own parts. The magazine is designed for a rimmed cartridge and has certain features to prevent rimlock and jams with an interruptor being a key feature and the 7.62 Russian has a different case shape than the Mauser derived .308. Feeding will be an issue unless you want a single shot.
Bannerman did an ill-advised conversion of Mosins in the 30's to .30-06 that was simply a blowup waiting to happen. The 8mm Mauser trick was done as an expediency during interwar years and sent to countries that counted their soldiers lives cheap. Neither are really that functional either. One could chamber it in 8x56r but you would need a new barrel as there probably is not enough meat in the Mosin left to go from .311 to .323 or so and the ammo sold and its function is inferior to that of the original cartridge--so what would be the point.
I have come across somewhere where someone converted a Mosin to fire .303 British or the 8x50r or other obscure cartridges but then again why?
The 7.62x54r, as it is, already is of the more versatile cartridges to handload for on par with the .30-06 and over here, the bullet selection for handloading is generally better than that of the 8x57 Mauser. They also shoot well with cast.
Some info on bad conversions.
http://mosinnagant.net/global mosin nagants/8mm_blindee_converted_mosin_naga.asp
Enjoy the Mosins as they are--you can buy match ammo for them at cheap enough prices, they can be handloaded to perform multiple roles just as the old .30-06 can be, and if a person wants a bit more accuracy (although Mosins can be pretty accurate) then get a Finn Mosin with a .308.
Mosins are not Mausers where a simply barrel change can allow a whole family of cartridges to be used. Rimlock and feeding problems for Mosins with their issued ammo can be an issue which is why the Finns made some changes to keep the rifles from jamming.
They are not an Enfield which is also somewhat difficult to adapt to rimless cartridges but worked ok for the Brits later with their No. 4's to 7.62 Nato after upgrading their metallurgy and I have heard of some souls converting them to .223.
If people get a Mosin for $200 to sporterize, you will have a Mosin sporter that costs a bunch in time and worry to get it to function half-butted, spend a fair amount on a new stock and then inlet it properly, have to D&T with scope mounts, get a new barrel and fuss with the magazine feeding, alter the bolt, extractor, etc. so you get some reliability and function, worry about safety if you fire commercial cartridges as the old Mosin was designed to handle a rimmed cartridge to seal the chamber from gas events and otherwise does not have good venting for a rimless cartridge that it was never designed for.
At the end, you will have a rifle that is inferior to modern rifles in function and accuracy, an oddball sporter that probably will never get what you paid for out of it as the collectibility is gone, and the conversion might possibly compromise your safety. In addition, you see the shame when the original Mosins left untinkered with go up in price, even the cruddy ones, greater than what you paid for your pristine new rig.
Want to sporterize one, then skip the full trim military rifles and look for a barrelled action or a butchered half-butted sporter.
I've seen enough bad Mauser and Enfield conversions (one person converted a No. 1 rifle to .300 H&H, I saw another milsurp converted to a .257 Weatherby, and so on.) to last a lifetime in the gunsmithing house of horrors.
Want a .308--CDNN is selling Thompson Center Compass rifles for $269 with probably a better trigger, much easier scope mounting, efinitely better metallurgy, a warranty, and most probably considerably more accuracy than the old Mosin platform could give outside of expensive MTU type optimization. Or skip that and get an Axis, Axis II, Remington starter, Thompson Compass, or if you are feeling rich, a Ruger American for such that would probably best all of them.
Want a milsurp .308, buy a large ringed Mauser receiver for about $100, get a decent blaster grade barrel from Brownells or Midway, put a mag block in it and Mauser sporter stocks, including rather nice ones, are cheap. You'll get a tough, reliable sporter, that will probably, in the end, shoot more accurately, feed better, and require minimal alterations to get it to work for less time, money, and headache than getting a Mosin to work in .308. Plenty of attractive sporter parts for Mausers are around and the Mauser is a simpler system to adapt to feeding new cartridges, especially cartridges derived from original Mauser ones.
The golden age of milsurps was because a lot of people had the machining and woodworking experience with not much money and milsurps were far cheaper than the commercial rifles and about on par with them for accuracy. They were also willing, in some cases, to roll the dice with uncertainty on safety due to general lack of knowledge of pressures, etc. Now, milsurps are scarce and getting scarcer, their ammo for the less popular rifles is difficult to acquire or dangerous to shoot, and commercial rifles are cheaper than them with superior technology and made for modern high pressure cartridges.
The new golden age, if you want to tinker with firearms, and do so in a safe way is to go to the dreaded AR platform as it is truly the Lego version of firearms and there is always the AR-10 challenge for those wanting bigger cartridges. The metallurgy is superb, ammo is generally available along with brass, powder, and bullets, for reloading, parts are plentiful and cheap, etc. And, unlike those old warhorses, it is easy to convert to a new cartridge and sell your old upper to someone else while keeping your perfect trigger and stock, etc. You will have accuracy, cheap repair parts, excellent barrels, huge assortment of magazines, excellent ergonomic stock designs, and so on. The AR system leaves the old idea of a switch barrel Mauser in the dust as far as ease of cartridge conversion--how much easier is it to simply put an new upper on an existing lower? Or to switch out a bolt head? Buffer weight? Magazine capacity? Scopes? Stocks?
Want to save history, then honor the rifles in the condition that they are in, fix those in poor shape, and accept their limitations. Keep Grandpappy's rifle as it was and respect the memory of him or if buying one, respect that many folks wielding that rifle, had to sacrifice their time, perhaps injury, or even their life in wielding it. Absent maltreatment or the machinations of evil gun grabbers, that concrete example of the past will persist even after every poster on the THR is gone to their reward.
I hate to quote the bad guy in Indiana Jones, but he is right in that we are simply passing through history, the examples of our struggles left behind in artifacts and memories ARE History.
fireside44
member
- Joined
- Sep 22, 2009
- Messages
- 1,145
I think you are correct. As boomers cross the river Jordan collectible prices will crash as inheritors "just want the money" and have no interest in dad's ham radios, guitar, and moreso guns thanks to added legal dealings. I suspect a select few will capitalize on glutted markets and warehouses, storage units, and closets will hold the rest of them until greedy "but dad said it's worth" types get their price. I actually think a lotta libs will wind up facing charges when they sell off dad's collection while being ignorant to the laws they supported. I actually know someone like this luckily the inheritors didn't pursue the child of estate holder or said yoga leftist would face charges.
As for overpriced milsurps. Well, a Russian mosin is worth about 25 or 50 bucks to me. Younger fellas don't know Enfield actions were $5 in the 90s complete rifles $50 or something and AK parts kits that are five hundred today were free with your order of $100 or more back then. Stg FAL kit $99 then 1000 today. $79 and $99 cases of x39. I don't wanna long for the old days but a $200 mosin can rust in pieces before I'ma pay that. The AK market is similarly pathetic right now.
I am not so sure that this will be so. Uncertainty and the flood of money to finance our deficit means that a substantial amount of money is being pushed into collectibles as a hedge. Guns do have the advantage of actual utility versus Cabbage Patch dolls so what might happen is simply that you won't see the massive price appreciation runup. We have been there before with the centennial of the Civil War in 1961 which led directly to reproduction black powder rifles being sold due to the increasing prices of old genuine antiques. Well, shooters ended up buying the repros and collectors buying the real things and prices stabilized. Same thing with old West guns and so on. The prices generally stabilized but did not decline much except for really high priced investment grade stuff.
The major problem is that individual pricing is sticky due to loss avoidance preference and the great stocks that wholesalers bought cheap are gone (maybe aside from some Mosins stuck in Russia right now) are not available anymore to force an individual to cut the price. Price guides are plentiful via the internet and even people not knowledgeable about firearms can google, see pictures of firearms and what they bring, etc.
On the lousy ones, the parts warehouses are running dry on a lot of items and those items are going up in price. Thus, a number of folks do nothing but bid on the sorry examples, disassemble them and sell the parts via ebay or gunbroker. The big parts warehouses, I suspect, are also bidding on those dogs as the supply has dried up and gunsmiths are increasingly selling their parts accumulations to web wholesalers or directly themselves. A crappy rifle is still worth the sum total of what its parts will bring and that is why the low end of the milsurp market has shown stability because no one is making an uncut No. 1 Enfield barrel anymore for a reasonable price, or stocks for m95 Steyrs, and so on.
Thus, if one wants an Enfield, at any one time, you will only have what individuals or gunstores have to sell via the internet or elsewhere--there is no great untapped supply via the wholesalers anymore to drop the prices via competition. Individuals, however, are going to price their goods at whatever they perceive the market price as are gun stores. You will have people get "lucky" scores one on one due to an individual's circumstances-losing job, estate sale, or bulk buys, but there is no general incentive for individuals or gunstores to cut the price on an individual rifle--unlike for a wholesaler. Houses have similar sticky markets.
The term for this is monopolistic competition and guns, in some ways resemble the used car market. Some buy old cars to restore, some buy them as a store of value, and some buy them for the parts to restore something or build a hot-rod etc. You get that same vibe from firearms. While people are now focusing on 60's muscle cars, that did not mean that the price of an average 55 Chevy Bel Air went down much if at all. Simply means that prices stabilized which drives out the speculators but leaves the collectors and restorers in the market.
This is a big reason why collectibles are generally a good hedge but not a huge money maker compared with other investments.
Extrinsic shocks such as gun ban legislation (which right now is generally directed toward other things than old bolt rifles), general economic conditions (bad economy times, high unemployment, more bargains if you have cash), or civil unrest also affect the market apart from simply supply and demand.
The major problem is that individual pricing is sticky due to loss avoidance preference and the great stocks that wholesalers bought cheap are gone (maybe aside from some Mosins stuck in Russia right now) are not available anymore to force an individual to cut the price. Price guides are plentiful via the internet and even people not knowledgeable about firearms can google, see pictures of firearms and what they bring, etc.
On the lousy ones, the parts warehouses are running dry on a lot of items and those items are going up in price. Thus, a number of folks do nothing but bid on the sorry examples, disassemble them and sell the parts via ebay or gunbroker. The big parts warehouses, I suspect, are also bidding on those dogs as the supply has dried up and gunsmiths are increasingly selling their parts accumulations to web wholesalers or directly themselves. A crappy rifle is still worth the sum total of what its parts will bring and that is why the low end of the milsurp market has shown stability because no one is making an uncut No. 1 Enfield barrel anymore for a reasonable price, or stocks for m95 Steyrs, and so on.
Thus, if one wants an Enfield, at any one time, you will only have what individuals or gunstores have to sell via the internet or elsewhere--there is no great untapped supply via the wholesalers anymore to drop the prices via competition. Individuals, however, are going to price their goods at whatever they perceive the market price as are gun stores. You will have people get "lucky" scores one on one due to an individual's circumstances-losing job, estate sale, or bulk buys, but there is no general incentive for individuals or gunstores to cut the price on an individual rifle--unlike for a wholesaler. Houses have similar sticky markets.
The term for this is monopolistic competition and guns, in some ways resemble the used car market. Some buy old cars to restore, some buy them as a store of value, and some buy them for the parts to restore something or build a hot-rod etc. You get that same vibe from firearms. While people are now focusing on 60's muscle cars, that did not mean that the price of an average 55 Chevy Bel Air went down much if at all. Simply means that prices stabilized which drives out the speculators but leaves the collectors and restorers in the market.
This is a big reason why collectibles are generally a good hedge but not a huge money maker compared with other investments.
Extrinsic shocks such as gun ban legislation (which right now is generally directed toward other things than old bolt rifles), general economic conditions (bad economy times, high unemployment, more bargains if you have cash), or civil unrest also affect the market apart from simply supply and demand.
entropy
Member
Basically the dealers/importers priced themselves out of the market on your basic 1942 Ishevsk 91/30 and 1944 Ishevsk M44. Collectors won't pay that, only Johnny-Come-Lately who saw them in Enema at the Gates will. Bargains on more collectible Mosins are harder to find, but still happen. It pays to know the history of each arsenal and dates of production, as well as numbers made. (Roughly, doesn't have to be exact.) I picked up a 1916 Sestroryetsk M91 which was labelled as an M44, and in an ATI plastic stock, for around $100. The correct stock for it cost about the same, so for $200, I had what was then a $300 rifle, and worth more now. It helped that I could read Russian, the Czarist fancy script type. As soon as "Sestroryetskii Oruzhyee Zavod" was out of my mouth, the SOLD! sign went off in my head. the hardest part was keeping a poker face until it was paid for. Deals on collectible Mosins are getting harder to find, but the better armed with info., the more likely you will find them.
Yes, well......
Yes, well......
someguy2800
Member
The value of anything is what someone will pay for it. I don’t see the value of milsurp going down. I don’t think the value went up because of a temporary increase in demand, I think it went up because a perminant decrease in supply.
Fine Figure of a Man
Member
They will have to get much cheaper than $200 before I'm interested.
ApacheCoTodd
member
- Status
