Jim Watson
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I assume to let Buick and Cadillac dealers sell trucks without having to take on the whole Chevrolet line.
Looks like DPMS, Bushmaster and TAPCO may be shut down.
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I assume to let Buick and Cadillac dealers sell trucks without having to take on the whole Chevrolet line.
mcb
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Not much chance, Remington stopped selling AR-15/G2 based rifles under the Remington brand nearly two years ago. The previous CEO made that choice. The new CEO finished what his predecessor started killing off all AR-15/GII/LR308/ACR production. The only MSRs left anywhere in Remington Outdoor Company catalogs is under Rem Def and they are not making many of those. Remington is, for all intents and purposes, out of the MSR market.
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I will bet Tapco did not tell you that the warranty period was not based on your lifetime.
Welcome to Corporate rape and run.
someguy2800
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There is so much proprietary stuff on a GII that I’d be nervous to buy one knowing they will never support it. I’d have to get a heck of a good deal on it.
Way too many better options anyway, not enough people buying AR rifles of any type right now. Everybody that wants an AR already has 1 or 6. I'm as critical of Remington as anyone, but this is a smart move on their part. You cant stay in business by making stuff people ain't buying.
mcb
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Except they are going to try to save the company with hunting firearms and hunting is the fastest shrinking part of the firearms market.
danez71
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Probably a lot of truth in that.
Personally, imo, I think they should drop Buick too and restructure / rebrand to...
GMC would be all frame based vehicles (primarily trucks and larger vans)
Chevy would be all unibody.
Caddy would be luxury Chevy's
Very reasonable stand point, and I certainly won't argue that it won't be an issue.
Personally I'm not horribly concerned unless the thing explodes on me before I feel I've gotten my money out of it. THAT is just MY opinion tho.
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They’re kicking out more “competition” rifles also, and a tactical chassis pistol in response to the Nosler NCH M48... I can’t fault a company for producing range rifles which can also serve for hunting, but I find it exceptionally difficult to support (aka spend money with, and recommend for others to do the same) a company which is cow towing so blatantly. 20 years ago, eh, a lot of sins of 20 years ago can be overlooked, although not forgiven or forgotten, such as S&W’s locks and anti-gun Democratic political contributions, Ruger’s support/concession for 10 round magazine limits, Nikon’s anti-hunting ad campaigns... but firearms companies in the modern era have a voice, and these weak spined directional shifts away from political images which don’t suit a liberal agenda just doesn’t make sense. When every other rifle manufacturer in the country is cashing in on new AR models, it’s blasphemous and disgraceful for Remington Group to let Bushmaster and DPMS whither on the vine.
I’ve been biting my lip for a few years, as the honest answer for “what’s the best option to start in PRS” really has been the Rem 700, but after this, I can’t keep sending business to them, and unfortunately will have to swallow the moral pill of recommending a lesser option to these would-be shooters.
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I would be fine with buying one if I could buy a few spare BCG's and a couple spare upper receivers for other .308 based cats. I think there was a company that was producing barrel extensions for it, but I don't remember the name.
From what I understand, the proprietary items on the DPMS Gen II's are the following:
Bolt Carrier Group
Barrel Nuts (there are 2 different DPMS barrel nuts for the G2)
Barrels (?barrel extension different?)
Handguards (some are compatible)
Charging Handle
Ejection Port Dust Cover
Upper and Lower Receivers
Takedown Pins
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Uhhh not on this planet. Ruger precision is almost 5 years old.
I can’t remember the last time I recommended a rem or dpms product
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Which is great for a “buy this until you build that” newbie. But for a “buy something you can rebuild as you go” newbie, I don’t think anyone would put the RPR ahead of a 700 footprint.
mcb
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Despite how completed messed up Remington currently is I would take a rusty Rem 700 over a Ruger Precision. When Remington can manage to do it they can do it right. 5R hammer forged Remington barrel is hard to beat for the money.
This group was shot with a Remington factory barrel and action. Started life as a Magpul Hunter in 6mm Credmoor. the action was moved into a chassis but otherwise unmodified. That is an acceptable 5-shoot group for 100 yards but was shot at 200 yards, with factory ammo, Barnes.
Still not going to save the company...
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Nothing of value is really being lost here IMO. Real Bushmaster moved on years ago, DPMS was only competitive on a few models, and I'm a cheap guy, but Tapco was too cheap even for me.
I will say though, that the DPMS ultralight AR10s were definitely a step in the right direction. Wonder if that will get absorbed into Big Green and re-branded, or maybe another AR manufacturer like say PSA will step into that void with their own ultralight model.
As far as Remington itself - it's fun to hate on them, and that ship is clearly sinking, but they still have a pretty decent lineup of products IMO. I'd take a Model 700, Model 7, Marlin 1985 Guide Gun, or an 1894 PCC, and I'm continually fascinated by those R51s. I know they had a disastrous rollout, I know that even the Gen 2s are getting mediocre reviews, but with that weird action and that sub-$300 price tag, it's probably just a matter of time before I own one. Supposedly the RP9s are a good budget-Glock too.
EDIT: $199 for the R51s on Bud's. I can feel my willpower weakening.
I will say though, that the DPMS ultralight AR10s were definitely a step in the right direction. Wonder if that will get absorbed into Big Green and re-branded, or maybe another AR manufacturer like say PSA will step into that void with their own ultralight model.
As far as Remington itself - it's fun to hate on them, and that ship is clearly sinking, but they still have a pretty decent lineup of products IMO. I'd take a Model 700, Model 7, Marlin 1985 Guide Gun, or an 1894 PCC, and I'm continually fascinated by those R51s. I know they had a disastrous rollout, I know that even the Gen 2s are getting mediocre reviews, but with that weird action and that sub-$300 price tag, it's probably just a matter of time before I own one. Supposedly the RP9s are a good budget-Glock too.
EDIT: $199 for the R51s on Bud's. I can feel my willpower weakening.
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My Gen 2 R51 has worked fine for me, I don't have a lot of rounds through it 3-400 but haven't had any problems. The grip safety has some areas that rub the web of my hand a little but nothing too bad. Its a neat gun, I paid $225 shipped for mine from GunPros a year ago. I bought it as I wanted to see the action, its a well built handgun for sure, the quality is definitely there.
Because they are “Professional-Grade”
Elkins45
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Storm Lake made a good product. I hate to see that void filled by Lone Wolf or similar.
fastbolt
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Virtually everybody and their brother makes AR's. There are plenty enough companies who sell them cobbled together of assorted sourced parts, as well as some of the big name makers who make parts for their own rifles, as well as quietly selling them to other companies.
The loss of the Bushmaster & DPMS names isn't going to leave much of hole in the commercial AR business. (Remington Defense still has their carbine/rifle lines.)
The loss of the Bushmaster & DPMS names isn't going to leave much of hole in the commercial AR business. (Remington Defense still has their carbine/rifle lines.)
Poper
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"I don't miss Oldsmobile or pontiac."
Well, I miss them both. But for nostalgic reasons. My first hotrod (when I was 17) was a 1964 Pontiac GTO, 2dr post with the 389 tri-power.
Probably one of the best driving highway cars I ever had was a 1973 Olds Cutlass Supreme with the 455 Rocket V8! Man! That was a cruiser that would pass anything on the highway except a gas station!
Well, I miss them both. But for nostalgic reasons. My first hotrod (when I was 17) was a 1964 Pontiac GTO, 2dr post with the 389 tri-power.
Probably one of the best driving highway cars I ever had was a 1973 Olds Cutlass Supreme with the 455 Rocket V8! Man! That was a cruiser that would pass anything on the highway except a gas station!
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Swampman
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The AR market has been saturated for years now as has that for cheap, plastic "tacticool" MSR accessories.
If they actually keep the BA50 in production and available for civilian sales then this whole dust-up is probably more about the bottom line than any anti-gun "party line".
If they actually keep the BA50 in production and available for civilian sales then this whole dust-up is probably more about the bottom line than any anti-gun "party line".
mcb
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Have you ever seen a Rem Ref MSR in person?
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Yeah, like some other people here I'm not gonna miss them that much. ARs are easy to find. If reducing the product line leads to higher build quality for their remaining products, that's good. Of course, that is a big if.
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